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2022 2-year-olds/2023 3-year-olds Handicapping
From: RAESFAN
Jan-9
Btw, I ran across a newly turned three year old, named Joey Freshwater, recently claimed by Linda Rice for $50k, a bit more than he was purchased for. His numbers are trending upwards, but I don't know how far he'll want to go. He's by Jimmy Creed, out of a More Than Ready mare. We may see him head to the Gotham, after competing in a claiming race a couple races back. My concern is that both of his wins, out of three starts, have been over muddy tracks.
From: smartyslew
Jan-10
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3 Point Proven Diaz/Pletcher Gun Runner/Bernardini L1 last
Vintage Pletcher Lasix in a non points race
Edit:, 4 entrants What A Joke the winner Prairie Hawk 5/22 foal date
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4 Champions Dream Camacho/ Casse Justify/ TapitL1 2nd by nose, squeezed at start
Trainer Change from Gargen to M Casse
- Edited January 14, 2023 6:01 pm by smartyslew
From: smartyslew
Jan-15
On Lasix, The formula is L on non points races and non L on points races.
It made a Runner Out of Cyberknife last year. Pletcher and Cox formula
looks like the flavor of the 2023 year.
I'll look for Non L users contenders and it will be tough this year
I cringe everytime I see a young horse on Lasix whether I like them or not,
From: smartyslew
Jan-15
anybody think this is a good plan or will it ruin him. Raced with Lasix in last start.
From: smartyslew
Jan-15
a partial pedigree view of next Saturdays 1/21/23 Lecomte-
14th raceFair Grounds,Saturday,January 21st 23,STAKES.1 1/16 Mile Dirt.Lecomte S.(Gr3).
^ Stamina Chefs within 5 generations--Field of 8 that is well bred as a group for 10f on the first Saturday in May IMOAll 8 are Lasix free so far and I like that a lot and you can make a case for all 8.number 6 Itzos is the only entrant not on my list at one time or another and he is new to me and belongs imo
| 1 | Echo Again 8d Gun Runner/ Tapit 2^ | . | ||||
| 2 | Denington 2s (7),13c (8) Gun Runner/ Congrats 2^ | |||||
| 3 | Bromley 9f ,13c(11)Mastery/ Malibu Moon 2^ | |||||
| 4 | Confidence Game 4r,4m(11)13c(8) Candy Ride/Bernardini 25,000 3^ | |||||
| 5 | Tapit's Conquest 4n,13c(9) Tapit/Horse Greeley 2^ | |||||
| 6 | Itzos* rf,1o,13c(11) Bolt D'Oro/Roar 3^ 1/2 to Rachel*, same bms and Itzos gr. sire is Rachel sire M D'Oro/ Roar BMS -- |
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| 7 | Instant Coffee rf 23b,13c(10) Bolt D'Oro/ Uncle MO 1^ | |||||
| 8 | Two Phil's |
- Edited January 16, 2023 8:42 pm by smartyslew
From: SameSteve G
Jan-15
There's nothing wrong, per se, with keeping one's options open with a young horse and trying a few different things to learn what you have.
The difference with Beta Bob is that he wants a certain kind of performer and in the process misdirects a lot of talented animals to achieve his ends, not what the horse might normally excel at.
Baffert will lose interest. At that point, it would be best for the horse to go to another trainer who is not as monomaniacal as Beta.
From: smartyslew
Jan-15
Thanks Steve, I wanted thoughts or feedback on trainer intent, you are in line
with my thoughts, He is savvy and I can see any trainer trying to get a deep closer
to be closer mid pack or even closer at the break, you did nail it with your certain kind of performer and misdirection, and thats the rub, Do you think he is trying to change with this one.
also Fort Warren is one of his top horses and he did a real slow work and that is a
red flag to me like not close to 100% for the horse, A say what moment to me.. 2 different Patterns for Beta.
From: princeofdoc
Jan-16
I also noticed the slow work for Fort Warren....huge red flag coming from BB. But jury is still out on Mr. Fisk, I think he may be a good one, and Beta is simply seeing if he can train him for the Derby preps