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2021 2 year olds   Handicapping

Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 107737 views.
Msg 303 of 1123 to smartyslewsmartyslew 
In reply toRe: msg 302
RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

10/13/21

Despite spinning wide into the stretch, I thought Dressed would run by them, but she hung late.

 
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Msg 304 of 1123 to WintertrianWintertrian 
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

10/18/21

10/1/21 starter list  updated 10/18/21 Edit
2 turn 2 yr old prospects for the fall and BC Juvenile races
Separate  from the other 2 yr old lists . 8 f and longer 2 turn prospects
Male list.
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I missed some races and I'll list what I have when I feel good enough
Mostly 2 turn types, with some sprinters who might try stretching out.
I'll Keep a seperate list for filly's
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Males
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Achilles Heel (T)
Albahr (GB)(T) g1 last Q 23.29
American Sanctuary 2nd-s
Annapolis (T) 1st g2 8.5f 1.41.04
Bayside Boy (T) 1st g2 doncaster
Be Like Clint (AW) off the turf
Big Country  front runner dirt
Biz Biz Buzz (T) sprinter
Brit's  Wit  (T)
Bourbon Heist 4th g3
Call Me Midnight
Chancellor Bay RF 4th STK-checked bad
Chaotic Tempo (T) 1st MSW
Castle Star (IRE) 2nd g1
Classic Causeway-speed sprinter
Coinage  (T)  3rd STK
Commandperformance  2nd g1
Corniche  1st g1
Credibility (T)
Curbstone (T) 2nd Msw
Dakota Gold (T) 1st stk
Daunt (T) 1st Msw
Degree Of Risk (T)3-g1
Derecho Dandy(T)
Double Thunder 1st s
Dowaiac Chief (T)
Dr Perry
Dream of A Day (T) 1/16 5.73 MSW
Electrostatic (T) 1st MSW    last Q 24.98
Eldons Prince (T)
Epic Luck (T)
First Empire g1  4th
Flip The Script (T)
Fromanothamutha
Fort Washington (T)
General Ken (T)
Giant Game
Grafton Street (T) 2nd g1
Grael  (T)
Great Britain (T)
Gingrich (T)
Heaven Street (T)
He's A Angel (T)rf 5h
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Msg 305 of 1123
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

10/18/21

fillies  thru 10/18/21
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Aint Easy 1st g2
All Luck
Averly Jane (T) sprinter
Blissful (T)
Cairo Memories (T)
California Angel (T)1st G2
Cecilita (T)
Classic Lynne (T)
Classy Edition
Consumer Spending (T)
Daisy Bee (T)
Desert Dawn
Determined Star (T)
Diamond Wow (T) Miler 2nd G2
Distinctlypossible  2nd g1
Dressed (T) G2
Echo Zulu  24.2 last Q
Electric Ride 2nd g2
Eminent Victor (T) 3rd g1
Fortunata Tensio (T)
Full Focus
Golden Sights sprinter
Grace Adler bad trip
Haughty (T)
Helens Well (IRE) (T)
Hello You (IRE) (T)1st g2
Hemmerle  (T)
Hidden Connection
Juju's Map  1st g1
Koala Princess (T)
Kinchen (IRE) (T)
Kneesnhips (T)
Lady Milagrow  (T)
Liams Dove (T)
Macadamia (FR) (T)
McKulick (GB) (T)
Mansota Sunset
Misthaven (IRE)(T)
My Zip Zip Miler
Nest
Opalina (T)
Openthegate (T) 
OutFoxed 
Pizza Bianca (T) 2nd g1
Precious Insight (T)
Ready To Purrform (T)
Roughly A Diamond (T)
Sail By (T) 1.43.21  lastQ 22.95
Sandstone MSW 8f Last Q 25.09(Slop)
Saratoga Chrome (T)
Sequist  3rd g1
Silvery Rill (T)
Solib (T)
Sterling Crest (T)
Stride (T)
Sweet As Pie  CL  
Tarabi 2nd g1
Turnerloose (T) 3rd G2
Very Scary (T)
Vivacious Vanessa (T) Q 23.05
Waters Of Merom
Wild Beauty (GB) (T)1st g1
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Msg 306 of 1123
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

10/19/21

Here is a tidbit from 5 years ago betting Turf horses 2 yr olds and up

Turf pedigrees to look for key positions in 5 generations charts for an advantage IMO.

from one page from the haun book
"  i was already aware of the superiority of the stamina elements in the european horses
because of the way they were raced with undulating tracks and longer distances. speed was
prized in america but staying power for classic distances was cherished over the pond.
the darley X combined speed with distance and stride and produced some amazing runners.
sea the stars,sadlers wells,high chaparral,troy,galileo,goldikova,duke of marmalade, frankel,cape blanco
cape cross,pivotal,rock of gibraltar, to name just a few.
sadlers wells passed the darley x with a heart score of 157, as we were able to determine through
his daighters. this is the same great heart as expressed by kingmambo and the reason the cross between the
two lines worked so well . it didn't matter which was on which x.  sadlers wells passed the great northern dancers y line
with the darley line on his  x chromosome.if kingmambo was on top , he passed the mr p speed with the great heart of 
miesque on his x. either cross produced great speed on the y and great heart on the x, not to mention 
the five lumbar vertebra skeleton with its extraordinary stride..
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lately,  in european auctions, the female offspring of galileo and cape cross have been getting high prices
these two sires,along with several other prominent european sires are passing the darley x, with its 
combination of stride, speed and heart. galileo through his broodmare sire, miswaki,passes the same
princequillo x found in secretariat.
ironically, miswakis dam hopespringseternal was purchased as a yearling by penny chenery, who named her.
penny bought her because she was  a daughter of buckpasser, but her greatest x which she expressed
and gave to her sons, galileo and sea the stars, was princequillo the sire of her second dam . urban sea and her two sons all won the arc de triomphe, a test of stamina..
  • Edited October 19, 2021 3:26 pm  by  smartyslew
 
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Msg 307 of 1123 to RAESFANRAESFAN 
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

10/21/21

This surprised me on the Equibase speed leaderboard for 2 year olds

More Than Ready's top 2 yr old speed number (males) is Paratus 93, didn't hit the

ITM board in his only race, suggest checking that race out, Slipstream 92 is next highest.
suggest 's  his fillies have higher numbers.

 
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Msg 310 of 1123 to DorothyBellDorothyBell 
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DogsUp

From: DogsUp

10/21/21

RE: posting of "horse racing results full chart in Post 302.

? Guess DRF at $12 a daily paper copy and provided digitally at website user discounts or free as well as Equibase, Trakus and their user tracks and handicappers just don't get it..

What codified mathematical and anecdotal Thoroughbred results do you refer to as a not outdated?

And we are talking about Thoroughbred horse racing; live races only.

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Msg 311 of 1123 to DogsUpDogsUp 
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

10/21/21

Hey Dogs thx for having my back in this 21st century of mis information all over the place

This old fashioned free due diligence of one mans hobby has the Superior Tech

confused because of no app dinosaurs style that started before the new math and

algorithm goes deep into the bowels of the actual T'bred's and the racing industry

without an App with one Man's opinion using his feeble brain and its free and time consuming to do.

It's for anybody interested and not required reading. Thx again dogs !

 
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Msg 312 of 1123 to DorothyBellDorothyBell 
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

10/21/21

Thank you very much for your response and ideas!
 

that chart you referred to is the results after the race is official and over.

Its not outdated !  You can look it up with numerous Apps or on the site !
BTW here is the sight that info came from.

http://www.horse-races.net/

  • Edited October 21, 2021 11:27 am  by  smartyslew
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