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2022 2 year olds   Handicapping

Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 168744 views.
RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

2/1/22

I am surprised that Emmanuel got an 89 beyer. He hardly did any running except at the end when he put away Glider in a flash!

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/1/22

They gave Newgrange a 88,   ,he came from off the pace

Equibase gave both a 98. sounds pretty even.

  • Edited February 1, 2022 9:08 pm  by  smartyslew
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

2/2/22

Everything changes.   Human beings hate change.  That is one commonality in every generation. 

Back in the day, employers had loyalty to you, and you to them.   That is all gone now.   We live in an age of globalism and that was going to happen regardless of anything that any politician did.   The world has gotten smaller due to the internet.  The world is a very different place than it was for the Silent Generation, and even for Boomers and for Gen Xers.   This next generation does not wish to work for non-livable wage and I sure don't blame them for that.   They've also seen their parents getting laid off in their 50s from jobs, etc.    So, they will approach things differently than we did.   I grew up before computers;  they never existed in a world w/out them.   They will also have climate change to deal with and other challenges that we cannot foresee.  

I meet enough selfish, entitled, bigotted, stubborn, lazy, racist people in my own age group to know that no *generation* is monolithic.    It's way too general by which to judge a whole group of persons. 

I trust they will find their own way, just like we did!   And, they will!     Every generation is defined by different events (no order) whether that be McCarthy hearings, Rosa Parks refusing to move to the back of the bus, Vietnam, Cuban Missle Crisis, the polio pandemic, an assinated President and assassinated MLK, The Moon Landing, Womens Rights, 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, OK city bombing, Rodney King, the OJ verdict, Columbine shootings, Iraq/Afghanistan Wars, Gulf War, Fall of the Berlin Wall, gay marriage, first nuclear power plants, election of our first black president, Bin Laden, Sandy Hook, the Great Recession, Boston Marathon Bombing, the Challenger Disaster, the energy crisis and gasoline shortages, cell smartphones..... and now Covid and political divides via Trump.....and the list goes on. 

People are shaped by events. And every generation is defined by its history which they are moving around in. Life is hard, survival is hard, we overcome.   Just like during the industrial revolution if you got your hands cut off in a machine you just went home w/out hands, and then you and your family starved to death.  (before worker's comp).  


I do understand what it's like to have a few bad experiences with younger people and in a snit (totally forgivable, we all have our bad days of feeling disappointed in the human race, been there done that RAES) and I get judgemental but they really are not all the same.  Just like we are not. 

I don't even know what "woke" means.  Being woke to me means extending kindness and compassion as much as we can muster, to other humans, to racehorses, and all who have physical life on this planet.   It ain't easy. 
 

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

2/2/22

I like Emmanuel though. I always take note of horses who don't start out running sprints and start their first race in a route.   That says the trainer knows something about the abilities of the horse.   

I am still holding out hope for one of my Classic Empire guys, like Classic Moment.  He is a good breaker and he has the right running style, was stalker/presser type for most of the race......just ran out of steam for the stretch.  Asmussen will put some stamina works into him between now and TC time I hope!  He also got Garcia who doesn't really ride that well at OP.   Asmussen is loaded again this year IMHO.  I'm thinking Call Me Midnight was a fluke and Epicenter is "the real deal" here from that FG race. 

Southwest Stakes is always won by the speedy horses, who end up running 15th in the derby, like tapiture, etc.  Other than Essential Quality the winners of this race they often don't don't tend to run 1st in the TC races, the Southwest just doesn't produce many EQs or Smarty Jones.  :)  SW is won by horses like Newgrange.  Even if he was getting points I would not worry too much. 

As I always say, I don't pay too much attention to TC races til around mid march when distances get longer 

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

2/2/22

Are we ignoring the foreign runners that "might" come over----anyone SEE anything on the horizon? 

Obrien's turfer, Luxembourg looked like a killer classic distance racehorse, long body,  but looks like he is aiming for euro races with most of his.....think he will bring over any suprises for us?   This is one gorgeous horse though---a big boy, w/white star, white socks, Danehill in both 3rd and 4th generations, one each on Dam side and Sire side.   
Family 8-f  DP = 4-2-12-8-0 (26) DI = 0.86   CD = 0.08 - 3 Starts, 3 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows 


Also want to ask, what is happpening with mcpeeks other runner, Rattle N' Roll and the other Classic Empire, Classic Causeway?   Will they be racing again in something soon or off the trail or what? 

Gerh

From: Gerh

2/2/22

Classic Causeway has been working steadily since the start of January.Rattle N Roll has just recently returned to work and is showing two 3f workouts

RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

2/2/22

That's what I don't like about Beyers. They are calculated in a vacuum, in my opinion. I think Newgrange worked a lot harder than Emmanuel. How that should affect the number, I'm not sure.

RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

2/2/22

I hear you. I tend to lose nuance when it comes to labor issues, though. Like you said, at one point you could get your hands cut off and get nothing. Labor demanded more, and received workers comp. We got shorter work days and weeks, better pay so out kids didn't have to work. Then salaries didn't keep up, and wives had to go to work, whether they wanted to or not. When that didn't help us keep up, we began to incur large debt.

Now out kids are experiencing some difficult times. At the same time we are not teaching them to how deal with crises. They have these great expectations, while lacking the resources or the mental toughness to deal with great obstacles. I know I am hard on them, but only because I care so much. I hate when I see some of those kids I coached, drop out of our program, because I know that a significant percentage of them will end up in jail or dead. I deal with inner city and poor children quite a bit, and I feel invested in their futures.

RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

2/2/22

Emmanuel has had everything his way thus far. Being my More Than Ready who is at the latter part of his stud career, I would love nothing better than for him to produce a winner of a TC race. I am afraid of getting too high on this horse, only to be disappointed. He is in pretty good hands, but I need to see him run a little harder having started so late. He will probably have two more starts before a possible Derby start. I hope as he will probably head to the stakes ranks, he is able to get the kind of preparation he will need for that 10f grind.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

2/2/22

Emannuel is playing catchup and that has many positives in my view between now

and May as long as he can stay healthy and no setbacks.

I agree with you ,running 1/16 mile in that race and he used less energy

and we don't have Dr. Romans data measuring energy used and I found that useful

in the preps ,but like you it's in our head and I make notes of it ,my memory isn't like it was.

I know you know others have shown low energy efforts and energy used is important

to gauge in the 9f races as the group matures and at that time its isn't just the ones today

that  use less energy it can be any of them stretching out as they get older and race by race

in April and late March 9f and 9 3/16 f. Battle tested and going in the right direction.

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