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Looks like 5 have hit or bettered the Bris par Speed number of 104 for the Derby'
Prime Power: Early Voting 150.6 Simplification 148.2 Messier 148.2
Some pretty good late numbers for this Derby. 93 par
Early Voting 95 104/111 111 Prime Rib wood + 20 86 91 111
Mo Donegal 85 95/ 121 111 wood +19 91 93 92 111
Taiba 96 106/ 109 111 SAD +11 100 111
Messier 111 109/ 102 108 " +4 74 91 93 100 104 108 >
Skippylongstocking 88 97/ 111 107 wood +13 77 85 94 107
Zandon 79 88/ 114 103 la derby +9 9 3/16 88 93 94 103
Epicenter 87 90/ 106 101 " +3 " 90 93 98 101
I’m not happy with Epicenter’s Equibase figures. Not that I swear by them, or anything, but I usually look at all the different figures, looking for consensus.
Track record last race..... Track record...
I was impressed by that until I found out that the distance has been contested only four times in the history of the track. I was more impressed by his ability to rate than the time. I am also convinced that he can get the distance. Nine and a half furlongs is a bit different than 9f. That last 1/8 can be a beast. He did half of that last part, and still looked strong. He will certainly be on top in some of my wagers.
PR? is that Puerto Rico? That tail is the biggest issue I have with this ones pedigree. along with Phone trick, left banker and MrP in the sweet spot.
Yes and Uraguay, Argentina thru that one line . He's the winner of the 2021 Kentucky Derby and some of
the Argentina line are part of their elite line and Mandaloun tail female line 5J Conduit Sire is White Eagle
The Stamina Influence Sire line family that tilts to Stamina the opposite of his Dp Di and Cd numbers.
You are talking about Mandaloun ?
No Taiba, Medina Spirit was 2-n and I think Mandaloun was 5-j. I see a lot talking that one up but I cannot get on that wagon, but glad many others like him. EQ and Mandaloun were my top 2 last year, had no problem with 5-j.
Top 5 turn times
Mo Donegal Wood 9 23.70633
Emmanuel 8 23.90331
Skippylongstocking Wood 9 24.06615
Early Voting Wood 9 24.20418
Smile Happy KYJGC 8.5 24.20581
Emmanuel and SH races both were too slow which aided the TT
Well, that looked a lot better when I entered it.
Edit, just found out Taiba dam is OH bred, one more nail in that coffin.