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NYRA and CDI vs. Beta Bob   General Discussions

Started 9/10/21 by SameSteve G; 17829 views.
princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

3/25/22

Thanks for posting this, Tex!  I have been waiting for weeks to know details......who/where etc., and this is very interesting.  Tim Yakteen and Rudy are inexperienced as regards the Derby, but they now have some quality colts.  Doppelganger going to Ark is a smart move, as those horses are a cut below the others, imho.  He should go off as favorite, and give the filly a battle.  Could end up a player in the Derby.

Now how contested will the Santa Anita Derby be?  Forbidden Kingdom and Messier?  McLaren Vale is definitely a promising prospect, but needs a two turn race, and going against those two seems crazy to me, but who knows?  Maybe he's good enough?  And will any other colts be entered?  Might be a 5 horse race at most!

Don't think Black Adder is fast enough, may have more competition in the Jack Ruby anyway.....we'll see.  Looks like Pinehurst is staying BB at the moment, running on the other side of the world, no chance for points.

Can't believe nothing was mentioned about his fillies.....

PISTOL9

From: PISTOL9

3/27/22

I've been wondering about this since the ban, the answer of when.    This seems late in the game, right before the last preps.  If a "BB" horse qualifies, I may just bypass this year as well as you cannot trust how they are going to run   

Edit:  I just realized I have "BB" insurance already having bet the McPeak field exacta but in FP2or 3, so if he gets there, I do not need to bet.

  • Edited March 27, 2022 1:14 pm  by  PISTOL9
princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

3/27/22

It seems like the late developers, like McLaren Vale, will have less against them, as they have fewer gaps with working and racing.  I like that horse a lot.

Two very expensive Beta horses ran up the track today at SA....that Bletchley Park couldn't keep up at all, and his other horse fared only a bit better.  There must be so much distraction in that barn right now.  I think the move to Yakteen could be quite beneficial. 

TexSquared

From: TexSquared

3/27/22

If anything it shows how badly skewed the prep series is.  You need to win two 50-point preps or one 100-point prep, anything less and you're probably on the bubble to get in.   The owners knew this all along.  So there was little incentive to move to new trainers right away.  And as I said before, if your horse stinks in the big final preps and doesn't get in, *shrug* he probably wasn't good enough/ready to win the Roses anyway so you hold off till the Preakness, Belmont, Travers, BC...

Wondering aloud (and we'll get the answer in about 48 hours...) how many ex-Baffert horses will suddenly appear in Pool 5 of the Future Wager which opens this Friday...  remember, Baffert horses are all "mutuel field" horses in pools 1-4.  As long as they're with a new trainer by now they qualify to be separate betting interests.    Suddenly everybody who's bet heavily on the field in pools 1-4 is feeling pretty confident....

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

3/28/22

Which other horses are you anticipating will be announced as moving to other barns?  I can't think of any with a Derby chance....maybe Newgrange?

PISTOL9

From: PISTOL9

3/31/22

I noticed CD postponed this weekends Future.  Wonder if the new BBs were a big influence on that.  Can't think of any other reason.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

3/31/22

They did did they, all part of the field in all pools. Punish Baffert  or punish the Cappers or punish the Baffert cappers

or its good to be the King !

TexSquared

From: TexSquared

3/31/22

yes, postponed to next week (it will run Thursday to Saturday) ...   I think the new prep race schedule had more to do with it, with three 100-pt preps on April 2 (5 weeks out) and the other 3 on the 9th (4 weeks out).  In the past the final preps were 4 and 3 weeks...  everything's shifted back a week.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

3/31/22

That makes sense !

PISTOL9

From: PISTOL9

3/31/22

I think most have been running at four weeks out for a handful of years.  Only Ark Derby was the last one to run three weeks out recently.  Lexington gone from 2 to 3 since BG moved.   If they go by the norm, hopefully the pool ends at six and the preps are ran after that.  They did that in 2014, closing at 6 and the San Felipe ran after close  where CC I believe was around 20-1 and probably would have been fav if ran before.  I hate liking a horse that runs on a future weekend, either they tank or get bet down depending on the result.

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