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Back stretch workers do what the boss says. As far as private vets, not sure how you police that. They get all drugs from a central depot? Wont change those that want to cheat. Testing quick as possible would good. If one continues to allow any drugs, immediate testing would be good if even possible.
Proof is in the pudding. Those who figured it out: ALL the superfecta horses in this year's derby have run lasix free their entire careers.
Not sure I follow totally. Lasix free is a great start. I've seen enough where maybe not !00 percent drug free. Maybe its baby steps. Nationwide industry standard enforcer might help level it.
The first 6 finishers are Lasix free in every race, of course we don't know if they use lasix in their works.
I would like to see it in all 2 yr old and 3 yr old races in the next step to get rid of lasix like somebody said baby steps
why do top trainers have 2 yr olds race with lasix in their 1st race or 1st 2 races and other 2 yr olds without lasix .
I suggest we start asking them and get it out in the open, Why. are some bleeders , it could be used to mask something
else. I hear a trainer say I race with Lasix because everybody else does, what B.S. So it is used for Performance enhancing right !
use it to level the playing field is what I hear. Most of the rest of the World are Lasix free, I'm not saying drug free ,Lasix free !
I listed the 7 runners who have raced with lasix on the 2021 2's thread and that is easier to count then the 13 who have
never raced with lasix in any race. I'll be watching the Preakness to see who is entered.
One of the reasons for Lasix 48 hours before race is the diuretic eliminates body fluids and runner carries less water weight
I remember you saying that years ago.
I have never heard a trainer say that for the reason, have you,
Do you think in the 1700's they used Alfalfa for that, it's a diuretic , makes them pee a lot.
On the trainer part, agree they don't talk about anything drug related
Media interviewers know they would never get another interview if they asked about animal drugs; or...the qualities of another horse in the race.
We do always; as usual, see that trainers will give the life is good about the horse, owners, jockey, barn dog; back side concession's coffee.
*Baffert exception recently. Big Time!
As to Lasix for respiratory relief in the race... I have mentioned it's first administration intent was 'technically' get the horse to "pee pee lots to get him back to racing off the layoff. More quickly. Rid water weight.
The respiratory aid was discovered *consequentially. (who says Dogs talks code)
The Lasix is exactly the same as that prescribed to humans for edema.
Your alfalfa mention for race horses for edema in earlier times seems likely; and I recently read that dandelions and coffee promote:) pee pee.
But the racing industry wants drug that act fast and hard. Not extracts of natural organics. See next thread.
The side effects of Lasix...negative are too numerous to mention...animals + humans.
So how much weight does a horse lose with treatment? You might be surprised. Researchers found that when feed, hay and water were withheld for 4 hours, untreated horses lost an average of 9 pounds. Horses treated with 150mg (3cc) furosemide lost 28 pounds, those treated with 250mg (5cc) lost 31.5 pounds and those treated with 500mg (10cc) lost 32 pounds.
I don’t have any direct knowledge of horses, but they sweat a lot. Thus I think having them in a dehydrated state going into a big effort of a race could be quite harmful.