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Time to go Zero Tolerance   General Discussions

Started 3/29/22 by Wintertrian; 2342 views.
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

3/29/22

princeofdoc said...

One of the comments in the article referred to suggests a marking of the drug....tied to a specific vet.  Zero tolerance at the source.  Life-time ban.

Um, well, how many interviews have you seen with "these specific vets"?   I don't mean in depositions, I mean in the media?  

Ever seen any interviewers corner Baffert's vets?   I guess they're invisible to mere mortals or something.    

All the cheater trainers have "A" vets and then their other vets.  Wink Wink.   They don't use the same ones when they change tracks for a meet.   That's when you can see interesting stuff going on.   All of a sudden, they go cold.  Cuz their "A" vet is somewhere else.     

Anyway, why reinvent the wheel --- Hong Kong has no vets coming in carrying gobs of meds..(other than really pedestrian stuff)....they have to get their  meds from the well regulated dispensary on-track .... that is the only source.  Seems pretty simple to me. 

This was bandied around back in 2014.  Dr. Riggs explains in detail how it's done in Hong Kong:
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/114776/how-hong-kongs-on-track-pharmacies-work

It's now 2022.   We don't have medication reform because.....well, nobody really wants it. 
The gamblers love the trainers who go on a roll......so do the jockeys who ride for them.   If you catch a trainer in that mode, (when the "A" vet is treating, you can make $$ too as a gambler if you start to notice.  Voila!  Winning at 33% is puts money in everyone's pockets.  

Except for the honest ones. They just work from sun-up to sun-down and eventually get out of the biz.  That's how we ended up with "super trainers" .   The same 5 guys win all the races.    

 

But, I betcha those horses being treated with dubious medications (like Thyro-L, none of whom had thyroid disease, and who are now dead), would have liked the idea of an ontrack pharmacy.  Or at least some semblence of regulation that didn't allow just willy nilly "injecting the whole shedrow" .      

 

SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

3/29/22

Baffert said he was a victim of 'cancel culture' when he went on FOX news.      LOL

SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

5/8/22

According to the prosecution, Giannelli was committing these crimes for 20 years.  Thinking about all the horses who were harmed, however many may have later died due to this kind of abuse, all the bettors who were defrauded, the damage to the sport, the trainers and owners who were victimized if they were running clean - then 5 years seems too short, no?

Or, am I being too harsh?  

Working from memory, didn't Navarro get 5 years and then deportation after he serves the time?  I can't imagine Servis getting more time.

Not to minimize 5 years in prison...I'm sure that is hard to go through.  I can't seem to muster up any sympathy for these people, though.

Thanks for the links, Tex.

TexSquared

From: TexSquared

5/8/22

It's hard to prove how many horses died DIRECTLY because of what she was doing. I mean, it's not the same as if she intentionally killed a horse.  (PETA would claim that but I wouldn't).  

I don't think any time is long enough to be a deterrent. It will happen again.  It's a risk-reward thing, just like any other drug dealer.  They're facing time but if they can get away with it they're facing riches.   The old "it's not illegal if you aren't caught" thing. The only real deterrent is catching them early enough that nobody ever get s away with it long enough.

Navarro's 5 years (knowing he'll be deported after, never allowed to return) is probably fair enough.  He is done as a horseman of any kind (trainer, breeder, bloodstock agent, jockey agent etc).

Gerh

From: Gerh

5/8/22

Think Servis and Navarro could become broodmares.

SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

5/8/22

Oh, I know.  Next to impossible to prove.  I just think that over the course of 20 years, horses died because they were subject to these illegal substances.  Horses die from the sport even when it's on the square.

You're right, though, the risk/reward calculus will always present the greedy with an excuse to break the rules and enrich themselves.

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SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

5/8/22

You mean, like the old cliche, don't bend over for the soap in the shower?   

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

5/8/22

Inject them daily, involuntarily, while incarcerated......with more than one injection.......and you would match the scenario their horses were in.    

Many other horses as well all over the land.  

5 years of THAT might be more *fair*.  

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Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

5/8/22

Gerh said...

Think Servis and Navarro could become broodmares.

 ROTFL   100000%

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