Who was the last derby winner who won their final 9F prep in 1:50+?

Orb, 1:50.4...2013 Florida Derby

Thanks. That means tossing White Abarrio and Cyberknife for me. And include Tiz The Turfer as well.

Ya know, I have been thinking about Tiz lately, wondering if the track is off, mightn't he move up considerably?  I know "they" say that a great horse can run on any surface....perhaps that's true.......but also worthy of note is how many non-great horses move up dramatically on an off track.  Wondering if Tiz is that high-odds horse that surprises on a wet track?

Any thoughts on CD's surface when it is wet?  Does it more resemble the footing of turf or synthetic?

Depends how wet. It gets firm to a certain extent when the Churchill track is wet, kind of like running along the beach on the wet sand near the water.

Counter-intuitive Overanalizing up the rail on a sunny day wet cuppa track.

MONTY HALL factor of 3. Derby factor of 20.

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As of right now....i have 8 for usage in my verticals or 40% of the field. Going to whittle it down to 4 in the next 2 weeks for a decent size super/box.

Yep i did toss the 3 you mentioned above for various reasons.

I'm waiting for the draw then I will do four $1 superfectas 

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Assume straight, I would put Crown in for third. 

I love Early Voting but it looks like they might wait for the Preakness.  If they could get him to slow down just a little….