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CD workouts   Triple Crown

Started 4/22/22 by princeofdoc; 4487 views.
DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

4/26/22

Liked your spot on call on the above.

No one can say Winter is wishy-washie.

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

4/26/22

princeofdoc said...

If it's not part of a trainer's usual protocol, I get concerned.  Asmussen nearly always works his horses slowly.....except occasionally, very occasionally, and I always take note of when one of his stable puts in a bullet.  Pletcher worked several of his that day, all fast, though not bullets, except for Mo.  So, yes, he may have had his reasons, but I am imagining what they might be.

He actually mentioned it in his interview recently.  And it IS his usual protocol to back off on a recently raced horse, actually.  Pletcher unlike baffert he doesn't work them back fast.  Maybe you were thinking about Baffert? 

The bad news for this horse IMHO is waiting too long between races to let the Lasix wear off, since he's using L every other race.  (which obviously wasn't something Todd was going to tell us. LOL).  8 weeks between is too long to imbue fitness.  

The interview is here:  Pletcher is clear about him being 13 days out from a big race and that he doens't work them back fast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox3jOuBOEDM
 

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

4/27/22

Interesting analysis.....

I do think Doppelganger may be better than 3rd string, and we may see that soon

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

4/27/22

princeofdoc said...

I do think Doppelganger may be better than 3rd string, and we may see that soon

Is he running in a race soon?  

Last race he ran was Arkie Derby 25 days ago and came in 4th.   He beat Kavod and Ben Diesel,  2 horses who have never won a graded stakes race.   He ran 4th in the San Vincente at SA and beat Happy Jack, another horse who has never won a graded stakes race and has only won a maiden. 

That sure doesn't sound like a typical Baffert 1st stringer to me.  

Maybe I will give him benefit of a doubt and upgrade him to a Baffert 2nd stringer. That Doppleganger can win at Santa Anita is not a question....but I do want to see him race elsewhere again on a more tiring surface. 

Of note, Crown Pride just outworked Doppleganger's last two 4F works  (CDX versus Santa Anita fast track).  Crown Pride half mile in 46:40.   Doppleganger's half miles at SA are 49:00 on April 16th, and his best of the year 47:20.   

But maybe that is by design, not getting Doppleganger to work bullets may teach him to relax more?  Personally,  I think teaching him to do blazing splits like Forbidden Kingdom may not be his wheelhouse. (hard to end up in the Baffert barn and NOT have to do stuff like that?)   My gut says he needs longer races/more distance, so maybe he can learn to relax more while galloping along.  His 6F works were always very good and he seemed better at the beginning of the year.  Will be interesting to see what Bafteen does with him. 

DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

4/27/22

"My gut says he needs longer races/more distance, so maybe he can learn to relax more while galloping along."

Perhaps colt has already done a lot of relaxing in priors

Gerh

From: Gerh

4/28/22

Doppelgänger and Newgrange will target the Pat Day Mile

GamblingMel

From: GamblingMel

4/29/22

From Gulfstream/Welsch this morning: Simplification had another monster gallop out today in the mud.   From Churchill: Rosie (whose opinion I value) seemed bowled over by Zandon & Crown Pride's workouts (although mostly for Crown's dressage skills).   It will be interesting to see who she picks.   I think she'll go with Epicenter, who she feels is a deserving favorite.   I tend to agree!  

Hope everybody is well!!

DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

4/29/22

GM! GM!

Long time.  Bet the ranch you are the babe out there...Chicago?

I hope Rosie stays away from those 3; in my top 5. My other 2 are Mo D and Mike Smith with Santa Anita Derby winner. Like the paired jocks to horses.

Were caught up:)

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

4/29/22

I agree wholeheartedly!  I think Simplification's work was excellent, as was Zandon and Crown.....I'm with Dog's this time; it's taken me years to finally agree with him!

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