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Gerh said...I don’t know what to make of Master Fencer now.Just because the x-rays were negative doesn’t mean that the horse isn’t sore.Will have to keep an eye on him next week
Since you probably don't have veterinary records on ANY horse you've most likely wagered on (at least if you are participating in the totally non-transparent racing game that is U.S. racing) I really am not sure how you can know that any other horse in the races you are betting on isn't *sore*.
You also don't know if they've received ESWT, o2 chamber treatment, pinfiring, etc.
At LEAST in this case, you have an actual veterinary report. So explain to me why you would trust all the other horses you supported in the derby, for instance. :winks:
Justify was visibly limping while Baffert was running his mouth being his usual circus entertainer personality. Explain the difference.
Everyone's idea of a "bad sign" is different. For me it would be this: War of Will won't breeze before the Belmont
Right now I'll stick w/the ones I still like until the final PPs come out and I can see everybody next to each other.
Its one of the things I deduct for on my chart: "They have to breeze before the Belmont regardless of how hard they ran in the Derby and Preakness"
Wonder if he breezed between the derby and the Preakness? Maybe just galloped, no idea.
Right now my head says WoW just ahead of Tacitus and Spinoff. But I’ve got to think WoW fades and gets caught; Spinoff should be close enough to do it. He wasn’t near the front in the derby but that was atypical for him in the slop. I think Tacitus will be too far back.
I don't see a fast pace, so I don't think Tacitus will be far back. In his maiden win, he was only a shade over two lengths back at the half run in under :47. He has some tactical speed, and was far back in the TBD and the Wood, because of horses pretty much winging it early. I anticipate the race being run like a European grass race, where everyone will gallop along before picking it up at the mile marker. :24+, :48+, 1:13+, 1:38+, 2:03+, +2:29+; Slow pace, slow race! Having said that, now I've set it up for someone to try to steal the race on the front end!
You might be right about Tacitus, and the Belmont first half mile is usually run in about :48.4.
I also think the pace will be slow, which is what gives me pause w/Tacitus. Seems like he benefitted from a fast pace in the Wood and Tampa Derby?
Transparency in racing....we can dream.Just watched the Epsom Derby.Fantastic race.Baffert should watch Aiden O Briens interviews.The Guy always deflects attention from himself and always gives total credit to his whole crew.
I think whoever is sitting second on the backstretch wins this race. Spinoff or Tax.