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Kentucky Derby 2021 DogsUp Diary   Triple Crown - HRN Horse-Races.Net

Started 2/28/21 by DogsUp; 74001 views.

From: DogsUp


Great track backside backroom insight.

Comeuppance.... American Pharoah & Bob Baffert

In 2015 Baffert said he did not want to go to Saratoga over the insistence of the owner. And having won and heading out of the TC and Haskell; Baffert said the Saratoga oval was a trick track to add insult to injury. Perhaps he wanted an appearance fee. About $100K then.

And as known AP got beat convincingly.

That incident has probably stuck in the craw of Spa's peeps for quite some time. Comeuppance.

  • Edited June 17, 2021 3:07 pm  by  DogsUp
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From: DogsUp


RE: Tom Brady diary

Cox had two - 2 ! horses in the Derby.

His 2nd place finish in the Kky may just put the finishing touches if moved up.

Dogs said:

Brady moved his  *home and family to TAMPA Bay. Home games got up made the kids breakfast. Kissed his family good by. Drove his car to work like he did every day. Parked in his spot. The Bowl was at his home stadium. His parents and family had did the same drill to home games. Note.  This is just extra as to horse and connections.

Brad Cox lives in Louisville. Born there. He's probably going to sleep there and shave tomorrow while listening to his tunes. Feed the dog. Maybe put out the garbage outside.

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From: DogsUp


When you lose your head...your ass goes with it.

Bob Tales...

Major horse players are litigating Churchill (obviously have proof of losing tickets with 2nd place finisher). Yeah for compensation. And Baffert as well. Excused owner in law suit - he didn't 'knew or should have known.' Compensated trainer and paid entry for services.

Churchill also just lost case for digital historic horse racing slot machines under their domain. Millions payback. Wonder how they distribute the award? 'Baffling how a track and the Commonwealth of Kentucky could 'Go baby Go' approval of the historic racing gambling system, legally approved,  then pull up after the finish line. Nobody checked the checker.

Jockey Club will weigh in to the court on Baffert's suit against NYRA 2 yr suspension. Amicus.

Baffert should have fallen on his sword, bowed his head and worked his way to a finding of unintential, not deliberate administration. Then seek hearings with tracks, other stake holders say, for forgiveness. Arbitration, mediation. He didn't bow his head. Now they have to chop it off.

In all 50 states with racing, Official means pay winners. Immediately. Or by end of March of the following year, then that money is turned over to the State coffers. That's the game rules in State large print.

Horse racing is a cash game. And I don't mean Johnny.

Think the precedent case of Maximum Security DQ in a Derby, as well as other similar , will stifle the players' suit.

  • Edited June 25, 2021 12:37 pm  by  DogsUp
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From: DogsUp


Contaminated blood sample not refrigerated, lab utensils unkept may mitigate Baffert conundrum outcome.

Can't determine ointment was unintentionally administrated.

And, IMHO Churchill wants this outcome. 

Add 2 parts attorney for Baffert ala due process. Inconclusive.

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From: DogsUp


Whether the evidence is mishandled or never submitted, that evidence is then lost and inadmissible to courts for further testing. Once the evidence is contaminated or kept hidden, there is no bringing it back to be used.

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From: DogsUp


"My Old Kentucky Moan"

About Derby Trophy presentations - 3

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From: DogsUp


My Old Kentucky Moan....

Kentucky Horse Commission has now lost control of authoritative input into the Derby adjudication matter as 2nd split sample for Due Process got soured. Some how?

External Kentucky court will have to null the evidence.

If the sample spoiled.. the ointment

You must acquit

Oh the sun shines bright on my Old Kentucky Moan...


From: Oldbettowin


Why would they acquit?  The sample was in the custody of Baffert’s people.


From: DogsUp


The jurisdiction of post racing drug testing is in the perview of the Kentucky Racing Commission. The  KRC is a function of administration racing laws under the Commonwealth; not the race track/Churchill Dwns.

It perhaps is the same in most states; as it is in New York - NYRA circuit. NY is at a cost of about $5 million annually. Testing.

The purpose of the split sample/due process had become contaminated. To protect both parties and stake holders at large racing for purse share.

Accordingly this contamination now rest on the Kentucky Racing Commission. They oversee the lab and pay the lab as a vendor.

Insubmissable evidence now.

Second sample could not provide due process. The reason there is a split sample to begin with.

The plaintiff / Kentucky Race Commission has caused/an action to the defense's due process (2nd sample testing voided) evidence to be inadmissible.


From: Oldbettowin


Don’t you wonder just a little bit how much the head of the NY lab got for destroying the rest of the sample lol?