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I'm sorry I thought you were talking about things like late pace and geared down not on the PP's,
or similar like bumped at start, track bias, bumped at turn or 8 wide coming home,
The PP's are usually for once on the track.
I don't use the PP's at all for the Derby.....I watch all the races, make notes, go from there. PP's, for me, are for races where I don't know the horses, and am unfamiliar with their races
An example of something the PP's don't disclose.....Known Agenda's race in the Sam Davis, coming in 5th. Watch the race, see just how full of run he was. Not a surprise how well he ran next out. Not sure how I feel about his chances in the Derby, but I wouldn't be surprised if he ran well
I read the race charts first, write down the tidbits, bumped wide on turn, etc watch the replays looking for them (tidbits)
Off the race chart I write down the splits and note small adjustments, the last few years I compare the Raw time
with bris ep numbers and late pace numbers , supposedly the numbers include track variants, class, g1,g2, and the
distance, wide trips, bumping, blocked etc. the fastest raw time doesn't always have the best speed number.
Thats the last prep race only. I use those numbers for my 1/8 pole chart., i do after the draw
the last few years I compare all speed figures. if you look at the late pace raw numbers
I put on here I think they noticed what you did, he has the highest late speed number in the field, 112
Since Dr Roman Retired I started using Bris numbers recaps for Early, EP, and late pace numbers against the Raw Time.
Anybody like another sight better for that ?
You are smart to use your eyes, not paper data.
princeofdoc said...Known Agenda's race in the Sam Davis, coming in 5th. Watch the race, see just how full of run he was. Not a surprise how well he ran next out. Not sure how I feel about his chances in the Derby, but I wouldn't be surprised if he ran well
That's the luck part. Field of 20, most look to be mid-pack runners this year, not a whole lot of upfront speed demons left, so that means traffic. Any horse can run into a wall of horses and get blocked, even if they are the best horse in the race.
I usually stick with the "quality" speed, and trackers, and sometimes a closer to wipe up in case everyone tires in the stretch. Midpack runners give me *worries* in a field this large but will put 2 on my ticket.
Remember preps Like The Louisiana Derby with the 9 3/16 distance is still a Grade 2 event .
I suggest use your own judgment if you think the race is on par with the grade one preps
and the numbers speed figures , some speed figures are adjusted for that.
I think with all the speed this race has entered, Essential Quality E/P4 and Known Agenda P3 are mostly must use horses. Brisnet is my go to pp source. Too much info there to digest.
Looks like Baffert gets special treatment again.
Hozier was Taken off the Derby Board a few days ago at the Official site
and we had a few defections and King Fury was moved up to number 21 .
Today Hozier was back on listed #21, one ahead of King Fury, anybody know why?
Get on it Kenny McPeek..
the tiebreaker to get into the Kentucky Derby will be earnings in non-restricted stakes races, whether or not they are graded. In the event of a tie, those horses will divide equally the points they would have received jointly had one beaten the other.