Never knew some at as much as 180.  

For large fields, which we don't see much anymore, the runup does provide safety time for shake out when the gates open and the bumping happens..ah..broke in a tangle.

Hope all enjoy Super Bowl.

From Message 1573 Withers I'll correct the Post Positions. #3 Jungfrau is added to the field
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On Our 3 yr old List racing in This points race 1 Arctic Arrogance, 4 Hit Show,  20-8-6-4-2 pts Hit Show WON Earned 20 Pts, Arctic Arrogance 2nd 8 Pts, General Banker 3rd 6 Pts
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Hit Show Raced with Lasix in last, see if it gives a boost in numbers this race, like Cox

2/11/23 For 3 yr olds I have looked at a few and Some 3's will be added to our list
after the race is over, mainly AW types with nice Marraiges and some from Deep Pockets
Turfway Park - Saturday, February 11th, 2023 Race 7

Gave my thoughts on the sam davis here.  Waiting on possible rain, and fact that this is a very competitive race, makes it non-playable.

Any time a favorite is at as low odds makes it a race that longshot players would be attacted to esp.if you think he is over valued.   I think he is pretty competitive but not sure about at 9/5.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/horse_racing/messages?msg=2315.1

 

I haven't even looked at the Odds, if it Rains Duby has good off numbers

and Prairie Hawk also horse for the course.

Oh Duby is the Fav 9-5 . Value should come from the others IMO

but Duby will be tough. 

Hit Show and Arctic Arrogance are entered in the Withers today

and the only 2 from the Withers in Pool 4 Future bets. Edit Hit Show 1st Arctic 2nd.

Message 1604 is pool 4 Future Bets entrants  for my Futures  Player friends, without the odds,
Last year the first 4 finishers raced Lasix free 2 yr old thru the TC trail, This year more
Trainers are using L in Non point races and we will see how many non L make the derby field.
Compare their non L races to the L races to determine the spread if any.

The N on the right side are contenders with the Sire/ Bms nick that has won previous Derby"s
If a horse you like doesn't have a N along side it the Sire Line/ Bms Line has never won a Derby.
That doesn't mean it can't, One way to look at that is to see how many in the group of 20 doesn't
have a Winning derby nick, the more in the field will help its chances, Because of success There are
Usually More entered with a winning nick. In this pool 24 do and 15 don't. Only one Winner a year.

Another angle I like To use I must pick a Horse with at least 1 Stamina Chef within the first 5 generations
Going back 85 years less than 3 % winners didn't have a stam Chef within 5 generations and Because
of the window of time you can't go back further than that, because  not enough stamina Chefs
to make a difference. Of course it isn't a lock, a percentage play. You can bet more than one horse to cover.

The El Camino Real Winner isn't Nominated, not in this pool, the Other 2 points race Winners Today are.