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2021 2 year olds   Handicapping

Started 7/2/21 by smartyslew; 137775 views.
smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Apr-28

Has the Derby Nick : Sireline/BmSire line won a kentucky Derby
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Cyberknife  Fappiano/ Mr P
Epicenter Storm Cat/ Fappiano
In Due Time  Storm Cat/ Mr P
Messier  Fappiano/ Mr P
Simplification  Storm Cat/ Fappiano
Summer Is Tomorrow  Danzig/ Nor. Dancer
Taiba  Fappiano/ Api
Zozos  MrP/ Storm Cat
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DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

Apr-28

In how many Derbies?

On paper one is favorite and one could quit running  in USA with foreign jock 

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Apr-28

Tail Female Family Conduit Won A Derby
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Name Tf family, (Conduit Classification) Conduit Name  Derby Winner, only 4 this year.
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Tail Female Family Conduit Won A Derby (147 Derbys  thousands of tail female branches )
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Crown Pride  5g (BS)  Remembrance   Twenty Grand 1931,
Cyberknife     8h (SP) Ophirdale,     Whirlaway 1941,
Summer Is Tomorrow 20b ( BC)  Highflyer,      War Emblem 2002,
Zandon  4d (S) Tribonyx,   (2)           Real Quiet 1998. Majestic Prince 1969.
pianot

From: pianot

Apr-28

Which at this point looks anyone can jump up on this thing.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Apr-29

Foreign Jock ?

He could stay in the gate, Cut off, bumped bolt, run wide, hit by a whip etc, jock dumped

pedigree query site put in any derby horse name click on reports, select stakes races ,click on kentucky derby

the list has every derby race Mandaloun 2021 listed 1st at the top, click on his name , it will show Sire In To Mischief

Empire Maker BMSire  it will show Storm Cat Sire Line for Into Mischief, Empire Maker Has Fappiano Sire Line

Thus Storm Cat/ Fappiano Sirelines a Derbt winning Nick, Authentic Is Next Storm Cat/  Mr P.

I listed the Nicks that has won at least one derby race entered, You can go thru and count how many

of each, It just an angle that won a derby entered this year.  Or You can go to the Site  triplecrownproject info Every horse

entered in any TC race is indexed for all 3 races each race listed in the order they came in back to the first race.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Apr-29

Foal Date last 61 years of Derby Winners  with the Dams age on The Foal Date
and The crop year for the Dam. 43 of 61 derby winners were in The 1st crop to 4th Crop
range. If a Winner has a Dam's age in double Digits 10 or more on the Foal Date or the 5th 
crop or higher it goes to the who are they  like 3 or 4 Stakes Winners a Known producer
Dam . I'ii mark the ones with The RF for either the Horse, Sire, Or Dam 6x6 or closer. a Derby Nick
I won't mark the horses with the Dam under 10, or crops 4 and Under.
-----------------foal  date---------Dam age----crops          
Mandoulon            3/18/18          7                2   
Authentic              5/5/17          10                3  nick,Prince x fact
Country House      5/8/16          10                 4  Rf  Princequillo line
Justify                  3/28/15          8                 3
Always Dreaming  2/25/14         16                 9   RF Something Royal
Nyquist                3/10/13          6                  1st
American Pharoah 2/12/12          6                 2nd
California Chrome 2/18/11          5                 1st
Orb                      2/24/10         11                4
Ill Have Another    4/1/09            7                 3  
Animal Kingdom    3/20/08          7                 1st
Super Saver         3/18/07          12                4th-  3 SW BMS rf
Mine That Bird      5/10/06          5                  1st Prince x factor
Big Brown            4/10/05           6                  2  RF
Street Sense        2/23/04           7                  1 
Barbaro               4/29/03           7                   2                 
Giacomo              2/16/02          12                  5
Smarty Jones       2/28/01           9                   2
Funny Cide          4/20/00            7                   2
War Emblem        2/20/99           9                   3
Monarchos           2/9/98            11                  4
Fusaichi Pegasus   4/12/97          7                    4
Charismatic          3/13/96          16                   9  RF 3 lines Something Royal 2s              
Real Quiet            3/7/ 95           12                  6  Sire RF
Silver Charm        2/22/94          12                  5   rf 1x Latroienne
Grindstone           1/23/93          12                   7 rf Sire Unbridled
Thunder Gulch      5/23/92           5                   1st
Go For Gin            4/18/91         12                   4
Sea Hero              3/4/90           17 1x rf           9 1x RF  7 sw   
Lil E Tee               3/29/89          7                     2
Strike The Gold     3/21/88          9                    4
Unbridled              3/5/87           6                    1st   
Sunday Silence      3/25/86        11                    1st
Winning Colors (f)  3/14/85        12                    7   rf 
Alysheba     
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

Apr-29

910 message updated !

Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

Apr-29

Fascinating stuff.  I know Better than Honour had two progeny win the Belmont with Jazil and Rags to Riches but has any dam ever come close to producing two derby winners that you know of?

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

Apr-29

Great stuff, thanks!

Have you also compared the sire age/crop with Derby winners?

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