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2022 2-year-olds/2023 3-year-olds   Handicapping

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Msg 913 of 1591 to princeofdocprinceofdoc 
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/29/22

Foal Date last 61 years of Derby Winners  with the Dams age on The Foal Date
and The crop year for the Dam. 43 of 61 derby winners were in The 1st crop to 4th Crop
range. If a Winner has a Dam's age in double Digits 10 or more on the Foal Date or the 5th 
crop or higher it goes to the who are they  like 3 or 4 Stakes Winners a Known producer
Dam . I'ii mark the ones with The RF for either the Horse, Sire, Or Dam 6x6 or closer. a Derby Nick
I won't mark the horses with the Dam under 10, or crops 4 and Under.
-----------------foal  date---------Dam age----crops          
Mandoulon            3/18/18          7                2   
Authentic              5/5/17          10                3  nick,Prince x fact
Country House      5/8/16          10                 4  Rf  Princequillo line
Justify                  3/28/15          8                 3
Always Dreaming  2/25/14         16                 9   RF Something Royal
Nyquist                3/10/13          6                  1st
American Pharoah 2/12/12          6                 2nd
California Chrome 2/18/11          5                 1st
Orb                      2/24/10         11                4
Ill Have Another    4/1/09            7                 3  
Animal Kingdom    3/20/08          7                 1st
Super Saver         3/18/07          12                4th-  3 SW BMS rf
Mine That Bird      5/10/06          5                  1st Prince x factor
Big Brown            4/10/05           6                  2  RF
Street Sense        2/23/04           7                  1 
Barbaro               4/29/03           7                   2                 
Giacomo              2/16/02          12                  5
Smarty Jones       2/28/01           9                   2
Funny Cide          4/20/00            7                   2
War Emblem        2/20/99           9                   3
Monarchos           2/9/98            11                  4
Fusaichi Pegasus   4/12/97          7                    4
Charismatic          3/13/96          16                   9  RF 3 lines Something Royal 2s              
Real Quiet            3/7/ 95           12                  6  Sire RF
Silver Charm        2/22/94          12                  5   rf 1x Latroienne
Grindstone           1/23/93          12                   7 rf Sire Unbridled
Thunder Gulch      5/23/92           5                   1st
Go For Gin            4/18/91         12                   4
Sea Hero              3/4/90           17 1x rf           9 1x RF  7 sw   
Lil E Tee               3/29/89          7                     2
Strike The Gold     3/21/88          9                    4
Unbridled              3/5/87           6                    1st   
Sunday Silence      3/25/86        11                    1st
Winning Colors (f)  3/14/85        12                    7   rf 
Alysheba     
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Msg 914 of 1591 to pianotpianot 
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/29/22

910 message updated !

 
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Msg 915 of 1591 to smartyslewsmartyslew 
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Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

4/29/22

Fascinating stuff.  I know Better than Honour had two progeny win the Belmont with Jazil and Rags to Riches but has any dam ever come close to producing two derby winners that you know of?

 
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Msg 917 of 1591 to smartyslewsmartyslew 
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princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

4/29/22

Great stuff, thanks!

Have you also compared the sire age/crop with Derby winners?

 
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Msg 918 of 1591 to princeofdocprinceofdoc 
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pianot

From: pianot

4/29/22

Agree, Smarty pours out some great info!

 
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Msg 919 of 1591 to princeofdocprinceofdoc 
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/29/22

thanks, no, not yet !

 
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Msg 920 of 1591 to OldbettowinOldbettowin 
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/30/22

I don't recall, All of a sudden I have that Maga Disease. Maybe somebody can find the time to look it up

before I have Time To do.

 
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Msg 921 of 1591
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/30/22

4/29 Derby Smorgasboard :

http://www.horse-races.net/library/derby22-0429-notes.htm

Who will win the 2022 Kentucky Derby?


Epicenter: 14.38%

Messier: 13.07%

Taiba: 11.11%

Zandon: 9.80%

Mo Donegal: 7.84%

Charge It: 7.84%

Tiz the Bomb: 6.54%

White Abarrio: 5.88%

Simplification: 4.58%

Crown Pride: 4.58%

Smile Happy: 3.92%

Early Voting: 2.61%

Cyberknife: 2.61%

Barber Road: 1.96%

Zozos: 1.31%

Pioneer of Medina: 1.31%

Un Ojo: 0.65%

Other: 0.00%

Tawny Port: 0.00%

Summer Is Tomorrow: 0.00%

In Due Time: 0.00%

Happy Jack: 0.00%

Get Out and Vote This Week !!!!

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http://www.horse-races.net/library/churchill-weather.htm

 
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Msg 922 of 1591
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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

4/30/22

For the 2022 Kentucky Derby Field .:  PP= Passing Position
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Foal Date  with the Dams age on The Foal Date
and The crop year for the Dam. 43 of 61 derby winners were in The 1st crop to 4th Crop
range. 
                                       
                                       foal age           Dams Age             Dams crop year
                                 -------------------------------------------------------------------
Barber Road                         3/18/19                 11                                 6  2 Prince in a PP
Charge IT                      4/3/19              7                          2   RF,2 big Red Girls
Classic Causeway            2/22               16                          8  rf
C-Crown Pride (JPN)       5/4/19              7                          1st  LH Prince
C-N-Cyberknife               3/14                10                         4  Lh Prince
Early Voting P/N              3/7                   7                         3
N-Epicenter                        1/29                 12                           6   rf
Happy Jack                            3/17/19                 10                                3  rf
N In Due Time                        2/19                        4                                1
N-Messier                               3/24                       9                                 3     
Mo Donegal                     4/19                 7                          2
C-N-Pioneer of Medina           2/24                       5                                 1
N-Simplification               2/28                  7                         1
Smile Happy P/N              2/20                13                         4  rf
C-N-Summer Is Tomorrow       4/24                       9                                 3
N-Taiba                            4/13                 8                          2
Tawny Port P/N                        3/21                      10                                4
Tiz The Bomb P/N       
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