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NYRA and CDI vs. Beta Bob   General Discussions

Started 9/10/21 by SameSteve G; 19144 views.
TexSquared

From: TexSquared

10/5/21

If he can beat this through the courts that sends a bad message to all the cheaters that they should carry on. 

Imagine how much worse steroid use in the Olympics would be if athletes (or their national Olympic associations) can just get their lawyers to overturn positive drug tests at will.

SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

10/5/21

I think you're exactly right.

Where is the line between the important right of due process and weaponizing the system to avoid consequences?

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

10/6/21

TexSquared said...

If he can beat this through the courts that sends a bad message to all the cheaters that they should carry on. 

This merely confirms that U.S. racing is incapable of timely decision-making, and can barely even stick with their own regulatory decisions and protocols anymore.

Dancer's Image was DQed in 3 days.  A yes/no on Medina Spirt's DQ and Baffert's licensing/trainig privileges at other tracks should be 2 separate issues, and the former should have already been decided, based on 2 positives.  

What we should all be more worried about is that Medina Spirit makes it to retirement "in one peice."     Based on what I've seen from Baffert, that's even more of a gamble than what will happen to this horse's KY Derby win, IMHO.   He's a neat horse and deserves the best of everything for his efforts. 

  

TexSquared

From: TexSquared

10/7/21

Medina Spirit's owner probably wants to win the Classic then if not retire right away, go for the Saudi Cup and/or Dubai, especially since there hasn't been any announcement on breeding rights.  

Wasn't Dancer's Image's DQ dragged through the courts for 4 years before his owners had exhausted all possible chances to overturn it?   I hope this doesn't drag on that long.   

I agree with you that the two issues are separate.  The horse should have been DQ'ed first and purse money redistributed long before penalizing Baffert with suspensions/fines/etc.   Let's consider careless riding - the horse is DQ'ed on race day, but the stewards hand down penalties to the jockey days later after a proper hearing.   They don't suspend the jockey and then take their sweet time with deciding the race result.

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

10/9/21

TexSquared said...

Wasn't Dancer's Image's DQ dragged through the courts for 4 years before his owners had exhausted all possible chances to overturn it? 

AFTER he was DQed

That was my whole the whole point.   The decision was made w/in 3 days.   Then they litigated afterwards for 3-4 years.  
 

TexSquared

From: TexSquared

10/9/21

Churchill Downs and the Kentucky authorities totally botched this.  It's not like they didn't have precedent...

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

10/9/21

TexSquared said...

Churchill Downs and the Kentucky authorities totally botched this.  It's not like they didn't have precedent.

Exactly.  

You know I am almost thinking that racing wants to be "entertainment" so badly now that they actually enjoy all this gossippy intrigue.  You know, Baffert spinning his fairy tales, has all the makings of CSI crossed w/People Magazine....never a dull moment in horse racing!

....and Baffert walking around mumbling "why me, why me, why me" while other HOY trainers snicker in the background as he walks by because nobody has THIS many *accidental drug positives" that occur under the most exotic circumstances........and 20 horses are entered every year in the Derby alone, not to mention all his other bizarre barn/medication events (dead horses, lame horses, drug positives, etc.) for which it's never his fault.   

I was watching old episodes of A&E television series *Hoarders* and his denial just reminds me so much of their behavior/pathology.   No accountability there at all.   I honestly think he's ........well.........got a mental disorder. Even poor barn management can't create this much crap....it's like he's in a world of his own and now we are finding out just how much?  Add extreme smugness to the pathology...

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PISTOL9

From: PISTOL9

10/28/21

BB  BC warning

3 in Juv race on Friday Barossa Pinehurst Corniche 

looks like some still giving him good 2yo (Sf Racing Llc Starlight Racing Madaket S & Speedway Racing)

Sat

R4 Gamine

R6 Eight Rings

R10 Private Mission, As Time Goes By

R12 Medina Spirit

Not sure if or how I may play the 2 days.  I have like playing horses with TCL in ped, not sure with BB being the trainer, odds prob won't warrant it.  Looks like there is a P3 unaffected R7-8-9 by BB

TexSquared

From: TexSquared

12/3/21

Figures Kentucky rules left themselves wide open to this kind of technicality...

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/baffert-attorney-tests-on-medina-spirit-split-sample-show-betamethasone-positive-was-from-ointment/

They should have prohibited betamethasone, and not include the word "acetate".    Who's to say the next trainer or vet picks another illegal drug, picks a different compound to mix it with, and uses that to make the illegal, legal?

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