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NYRA and CDI vs. Beta Bob   General Discussions

Started 9/10/21 by SameSteve G; 20503 views.
In reply toRe: msg 72

From: Wintertrian


The whole thing is terribly sad to me. 

Because now Medina Spirit's plaque will be gone.... and he is gone as well. 

Erased.  In every way.  Thanks Bob. 


From: TexSquared


How long will this thread keep going?

I think the over-under is.... 2024?  Between Baffert appealing the suspension and Zedan (and Baffert) appealing the disqualification, both cases being tied up in the courts....

Remember when Maximum Security was disqualified I said this is crazy, it's the race that the stewards "put away the whistle", first nose at the line wins, period...  You can't tell me that from 1969 to 2021 every horse except Medina Spirit ran clean.  Just like you can't tell me that every Derby running from 1875 to 2019 had no interference, bumping, checking, bearing in/out, etc... until Max did it.  Come on.  20 horses on a 1 mile track with hairpin turns, that stuff's gonna happen.  it's making me wonder if the stewards really did "put away the whistle" for racing incidents BUT ALSO covered up any drug positives all those years, just to avoid all this.  

Four years in the courts for Dancer's Image set a bad precedent which made it the unwritten rule to never DQ in the Derby.  An unwritten rule that was broken when Max was DQ'ed, and again here... 

Trainer suspension shouldn't take too long in the courts, relatively speaking. But the Derby DQ...


From: smartyslew


All good points Tex. Mostly all true ,Beyond 2024 at this rate.

One of the biggest one's that irritates me is not calling interference coming out of the gate.

Like you noted I've seen in the Derby of things worse not getting called, I'm biased it cost me the superfecta

in Max Sec race.. Us cappers get on the pity pot poor me poor me many times because a big percentage think the Stewards

are biased with all of the non calls for years, then the Max Sec race, on the camera you could make a case for others being the culprit.

That is at the moment not drug related.


From: DogsUpWired


Spot On...!!

By time this is settled; the horse is now dead, the trainer and owner will be dead.

We'll All be Dead..

I'll take the Over and place the ticket in my Trust Fund. And assume the bets either way are put into annuities so the payout earns and profits from inflation.

:) I always wondered if this was a smile for light humor or mud caulks.


From: TexSquared


smartyslew said:

the Max Sec race, on the camera you could make a case for others being the culprit. That is at the moment not drug related.

You know what would be hilarious.... if the stewards decide to overturn the interference DQ, but then DQ him on the drugs so the result (and purse distribution) is unchanged....

He may have tested negative on race day but if the trainer is found guilty by the courts then what we have is the Medina Spirit case in reverse.

SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G


I do remember what you said, Tex.  I guess we know now why Servis didn't agitate against the ruling as furiously as Beta Bob is with what we have subsequently learned about him.

These delays and attorney tactics go back to my point that Beta can afford a different type of justice than the Unknown Trainer - that is rather like saying there is no justice at all.  

I also saw somewhere that the group of horseplayers re-upped their lawsuit which to me hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of setting a new precedent for bettors.  "You guys lost, go home," said the judge.


From: TexSquared


SameSteve G said:

I also saw somewhere that the group of horseplayers re-upped their lawsuit which to me hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of setting a new precedent for bettors.  "You guys lost, go home," said the judge.

I'd like to see sports bettors try to sue the NFL, NBA, etc. when bad calls by the referees caused them to lose their bets....  Same thing, judge would laugh them out too.  It's gambling.  Shit happens.  Sports events don't always play out to "form" for any number of reasons (including bad calls) and it's that uncertainty you're betting for/against.  

As for Jason Servis, he got arrested and is looking at serving time... not just suspended from racing but suspended from freedom.    So far Baffert hasn't been found to be involved in such conspiracies... 


From: DogsUpWired



Although Baff entries Won sans KDy points; they still took home 1st $.

The Preakness is always just a couple of horses who game shoot for TC. See: By adverse possession.

Then they fill with about 4 per year with local stable talent. Bob's baby winners will be more than welcome.

Runs the table and no pointisomos concerns.

And the Belmont turns into a race that could have be run for $400k.

I still bark a melody played on a penny arcade that Santa Anita, Pimlico and Monmouth will take some leverage should the connections not bend over.

In essence they are being dictated to by one track; one event.

Entrepreneurs don't stand in line. They don't take turns. They think for themselves. We do share. They don't rent.. horses. Buy them and take risks.

They won't forget that without their risk and providing the products; suits at Two Spirals can operate Merry go Rounds at the Mall.

None injuries them with impunity.

Don't mess with a man's dinner.

KDy peeps did what they had to do.

Yet, publicity wise to keep the diminimus drug violation from soiling their skirts; the actions and publicity will catch up during Kdy week .

A case now of happens all the time??

SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G


KHRC denies stay.  Now going to court on 3/17.   Link to article for anyone interested in this continuing saga of Beta Bob And The Regulators.


From: Wintertrian


I would need to use an emoticon to respond to anything with the word "Baffert" in it at this point.  He's such a bad sport.   This is what narcissists do though.  Instead of taking his medicine (which puts him  out of the limelight that he is so used to having) he will manufacturer ways to stay "in the news" ad nauseum.     Not even sure anyone can fix a narcissist though.  Its one of those truly tough-nut-to-crack  disordered personalities ---   that means to expect the saga to continue Ad Infinitum.   Even after the very last lemon is juiced.   That doesn't mean he is a "bad person".   I want to make that clear.  But he is hurting the sport, and has hurt the sport, and he needs to stop already.