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Started 11/10/21 by DogsUp; 450 views.
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DogsUp

From: DogsUp

11/16/21

As I think about it more...seems the Starter and assistant starter in Gate gate did not input their due diligence into the scatch issue.

Maybe more startling is that it is not in their responsibility to protect the pools.

And then the void becomes a Vets opinion to scratch and Stewards blessing.

Or are these issues of discovery for a scratch in place as rules but all concerned treated the day as 'free square. 

Shame the outcome resulted in many a bad beat going home with just what's left purse money only 

Further hope it's not a case of not my job. 

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DogsUp

From: DogsUp

11/20/21

The Dogs does internet data mining pretty well. Finding and accessing information and use in decision making. Ultimately Go/No Go on the data.

For business, personal, recreational and entertainment.

Searching to ascertain if there are track officials protocols for  scratches late or at the gate BY the vet, Stewards, Starter and those reporting to the position, assistant starters. None was found that would have prevented the BC grasser that scratched the the ultimate winner who ran for purse money only. 

In placing horizontal races often a ticket construction  uses a single in 1 leg in usually a 4 pick or more. A scratch in a ticket gives the ticket the post time favorite. 

Often a player will play a 'free square' horse that will end up with Off odds at 1/1 or less in their horizontal bets.

Parlay bets are tough enough.

But with the latest BC SNAFU bad beat we learned another proposition on how to get taken down. During the race!

Had official rules, protocols, mechanics of an event been in place "to protect the pools" , that is the understanding of the rules of racing; the assistant starter would have notified the Starter that the runner utimately winning for purse money had been released at the gate by the assistant starter for safety reasons. Rather than the runner had broke through the gate. And in this BC race the officiating was based on the notion that the runner broke through the gate. 

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Turfmaster1

From: Turfmaster1

11/20/21

Yeah 100% agree that was some kinda sneaky scandiuouls situation..How you gonna scratch a horse and then put him back in the race but you can't bet on him because they scratched him....And of course the horse wins for fun as the favorite ..

I wonder if that would. Have happened if the horse was say 25 to 1 or something  would they have done all they did?? I'm guessing sure they would if they new he was gonna win like this one won...

DogsUp

From: DogsUp

Nov-21

Looking forward to see if some bettors with horizontal tickets that would be winners will litigate. 

That is, assistant starter knowing that he released the horse for safety. And reporting such to the starter. 

Then the starter would notify the vet that the horse did not break through the gate.

Then the vet scoped the horse as fit to run. But, for purse only in that vet thought horse broke through gate.

They have a duty to protect the horizontal pools. In this case they sent Off a horse that was released for safety reasons but the communication mechanics to allow the horse to reload as a pari-mutuel starter was not initiated.. Other flat tickets refunded also did not receive pool protection as to gate rules to navigate the runner back into the starting gate as being released for safety.

This historic occurrence proposition will keep horizontal bettors on the shy in ticket construction.

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pianot

From: pianot

Nov-21

Not to worry BB has the deflection recipe and others learn. This will go nowhere IMHO.

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