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Found my Belmont/Preak-Creative Minister   Triple Crown

Started Mar-7 by Wintertrian; 4138 views.
princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

May-17

I think I'm actually going with Simplification.....and I'll be using Fenwick at the bottom of the exotics

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

May-21

RAESFAN said...

I think Creative Minister is an improving horse, that can definitely be in the mix, if he he takes another step forward. I'm not a huge fan of Brian Hernandez, but he's acceptable.

RAES, Looks like the most common wager for the Preakness will be the combo of 8-5-4-1.   So much so it's almost like a memorizable mantra/meme. 

I still like CM.  Preakness will actually be the shortest field he's ever run in.  He's only run in fields of 11, 12, and then 11 again.  I was lucky to get that win on him on the CD undercard with that field size, but this is a handicapping angle I use quite often.   The bigger the field the more likely a horse will  encounter and have to  overcome "trouble".   So I think young horses "learn more" this way?  

Kenny owns a % of the horse so some of that $150K supplement came out of his own pocket, too.  I've also seen CM take a lot of dirt in his face.  If you noticed his conformation, he has a very long neck ( that sometimes helps at the finish line). Also nice long back legs.   

I like all the horses in this race but am "rooting for" Creative Minister and Happy Jack just based on personal affinity w/certain horses.   If Jack actually picks up his feet like he did in the San Felipe and SA Derby, he might even hit the board.  

IF you use twinspires. you can claim the Get Your Win Bet back, up to $10, if horse runs ITM, so that sort of a free square if you believe in a horse.  

Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

May-21

Secret Oath probably would have been my Belmont horse just based on her pedigree but she’s running today.  They may all still be drained by the time the Belmont rolls around.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-21

Happy is adding blinkers and Changing Jocks, I think this could move him up.

RAESFAN

From: RAESFAN

May-21

I'm boxing CM/Epi/Simp in a small $30 tri

  • Edited May 21, 2022 4:14 pm  by  RAESFAN
In reply toRe: msg 20
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

Jun-2

So I'll still have my CM guy somewhere on my Belmont ticket.  I wasn't sure I'd still like him at this point, since it was Feb when I first started w/him and he had not even raced yet.  Sometimes you just like what you see. 

He can run on fast dry or slop, has the running style I like, stalker,  3-5 lengths behind before he gets going and then turns it on.   

Got $165K for running 3rd in Preakness so they didn't lose on the supp fee.

He had his 1st "official timed" Belmont breeze on Tues, 4F in 48:33; Q mile in :24.  Looked like a nice steady even gallop.  It was hot and muggy.   This is his next to last work before the big race.   Rider didn't move a muscle, sat chilly.  

But he's been galloping 1-1/4 miles every day with lighter gallops in between.  And you can see his nice long stride. 


I "think" McPeek understands this horse and is training him similar to Sarava.

In reply toRe: msg 23
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

Jun-5

Other horse who will be on my ticket: Golden Glider as I already said back on June 1st.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/horse_racing/messages/?msg=2014.37. 

He just has some pedigree influences I like  (which are a welcome respite from "just bet the Tapits!".)  I often go out on a limb with many of my picks, but will try to present some cogent reasons.  (Sometimes, that doesn't work either, because "conformation bias".   We all look for justifications of why horses we like might win (IMHO) or did win.  I just like to properly "explore" horses' backgrounds because I find the puzzle*interesting.*

This one has some of the right stuff......it just has to come together.  There is often no logic to the way a pedigree translates to a track or distance like The Belmont Stakes, in such young horses, nobody really has a "formula" for that.  It has to be their day, like it was for Rich Strike, Ruler on Ice, Mine That Bird, Un Ojo, Da'Tara, Oxbow, etc.  Weird things have to happen with some of the runners, track bias, weather, etc. and often some major failings within the rest of the field has to happen.   Once a year, I say "find a horse you like that has good odds and call out jeronimo!" 

Influences I like in Golden Glider's pedigree: 

--Awesome Again (1998) and Ghostzapper (2004) were the first sire and son to win the Breeders’ Cup Classic. 

--His sire's sire, Awesome Again, sired multiple G1 winners besides Ghostzapper.  Oxbow (2nd in BEL), Sir Winston, (won BEL)  Paynter (2nd in BEL).

---  Intentionally - designated chef-de-race, sire of In Reality, Ta Wee and Tentam. Nicknamed "the Black Bullet", yes a sprinter.  It lends speed. 
 
--- Saratoga Six (by Alydar)  Saratoga Six was also the BMS of Ruler on Ice - winner.  Lukas paid $2,200,000 for Saratoga Six in the 80's ---- how much $$ would that represent now?  He was undefeated in his only 4 races, and eventually died in that horrible barn fire. 

---Blushing Groom (on both sides) sired Candy Stripes, BMS of Candy Ride (sire of Gun Runner). 

-- Red God, Sire of Blushing Groom

--- sired Bold Forbes who won KY Derby and Belmont


--- He's a close relative to CAN TC winner With Approval on his dam side.   Cool Mood was Dam of 1989 Canadian Broodmare of the Year Passing Mood.  Passing Mood was the dam of Canadian Triple Crown winner With Approval (Canadian Triple Crown winner and Horse of the Year) 

 Campaign trajectory: 

Golden Glider has been at Belmont since 5/01  !! Working and racing.  He will be well-acclimated.  I suspect that could improve his Last Q. 

Sam Davis-Tampa Bay trajectory (worked for Destin 2nd in BEL).   
Graded stakes to Tampa Bay to Bluegrass to Peter Pan trajectory worked for Sir Winston
Sir Winston - 1st Belmont - 2nd Peter Pan - 7th Blue Grass - 5th Tampa Bay Derby-(4th Withers)
Golden Glider - ? Belmont - 2nd Peter Pan, 4th Bluegrass- 4th -(5th Sam Davis)

Can also avoid the *Curse* that only 2 Peter Pan winners have won the Belmont in the last 30 years---because Golden Glider ran 2nd, he didn't win.  haha).   

Sir Winston didn't lose the Peter Pan by as much.   Casse thinks as I do though, that the track condition played a part.   Guess we'll see!

GG  gets out-kicked, but if you watch his races, he "keeps on".   I watched him "swoop in" in his race on Tapeta.  He can turn it on in the stretch if Casse has him ready.  He didn't have War of Will Ready.  But he had Sir Winston ready.  And that's why Tacitus paid a measly $3.90 to place, but Sir Winston paid $22.40 to win and $8.80 to place.   You had to think out-of-the-box

And final 2 reasons, both somewhat nonsensical:   For all practical purposes, comparing him to human hair dye, he's a *red-head*.  Might be a good flyer wager for someone with a red-head in their life.  :)   Other reason:  I love Ghostzapper. 

pianot

From: pianot

Jun-6

Very well thought out! Thank you for sharing.

sovereign1

From: sovereign1

Jun-13

For the 2023 Belmont Stakes:

Whitewalker stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye

And the beat goes on.....

In reply toRe: msg 26
Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

Jun-16

McPeek said that Creative Minister just did not handle the deep track and will look for a better spot for him come summer.   

I imagine the Belmont can be any number of problems for horses, both a deep track, the 1-1/2 mi distance, etc.  

Congrats to Mo Donegal though.   He managed.   This is probably silly but I look over their bodies but faces, too, believe it or not it "helps" me.   As I posted before the race, Mo Don, that face, very handsome and regal to my eye.  Skippy sort of looks like his name, for instance.   I dunno, I think some horses just have a certain eye/nose/face that I like. 

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