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Time to go Zero Tolerance   General Discussions

Started 3/29/22 by Wintertrian; 2142 views.
DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

May-11

On the trainer part, agree they don't talk about anything drug related  

Media interviewers know they would never get another interview if they asked about animal drugs; or...the qualities of another horse in the race.

We do always; as usual, see that trainers will give the life is good about the horse, owners, jockey, barn dog;  back side concession's coffee.

*Baffert exception recently. Big Time!

As to Lasix for respiratory relief in the race... I have mentioned it's first administration intent was 'technically' get the horse to "pee pee lots to get him back to racing off the layoff. More quickly. Rid water weight.

The respiratory aid was discovered *consequentially. (who says Dogs talks code)

The Lasix is exactly the same as that prescribed to humans for edema.

Your alfalfa mention for race horses for edema in earlier times seems likely; and I recently read that dandelions and coffee promote:) pee pee. 

But the racing industry wants drug that act fast and hard. Not extracts of natural organics.  See next thread.

In reply toRe: msg 24
DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

May-11

The side effects of Lasix...negative are too numerous to mention...animals + humans.

So how much weight does a horse lose with treatment? You might be surprised. Researchers found that when feed, hay and water were withheld for 4 hours, untreated horses lost an average of 9 pounds. Horses treated with 150mg (3cc) furosemide lost 28 pounds, those treated with 250mg (5cc) lost 31.5 pounds and those treated with 500mg (10cc) lost 32 pounds.

twoshots

From: twoshots

May-11

I don’t have any direct knowledge of horses, but they sweat a lot. Thus I think having them in a dehydrated state going into a big effort of a race could be quite harmful.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-11

This is a good response Dogs, Thanks, your last line says a lot and The Who of The Racing Industry needs to be 

shaken out of the tree and identified  and its time to debate them imo.

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-11

that is terrible !

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

May-11

What's the best way to recover from this ,or best treatment . 

Anybody know.

BTW Horses Sweat, Men Perspire, Ladies Glow !

DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

May-11

This medication may cause dehydration and electrolyte imbalance.  serious side effects: muscle cramps, weakness, unusual tiredness, confusion, severe dizziness, fainting, drowsiness, unusual dry mouth/thirst, nausea, vomiting, fast/irregular heartbeat.

Yet millions of humans take it..

But horses before maximum exercertion.

Perhaps kidney damage/failure is the highest risk.

Cheaper tag races IMO use the diaretic to run the horse weighing like 32 pounds less. And before coming to track on layoff use L to shed water weight gain of say 5%

Gerh

From: Gerh

May-11

It also effects calcium levels in the body increasing the possibility of fractures

In reply toRe: msg 31
DogsUpWired

From: DogsUpWired

May-11

Releases potassium..a big deal.

And as mentioned the low level claiming tracks may have a horse off for 9 months and Lasix 100-150 lbs of water out of horse

Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

May-11

Dat would be a lot of water.

Every time I read that a horse has suddenly succumbed to colic I wonder if they were on Lasix and/or Bute long term.

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