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Derby trainers   Triple Crown

Started Apr-30 by princeofdoc; 2778 views.
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princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

Apr-30

Not suggesting malpractice.....simply that his horse did not cross finish line first

Gerh

From: Gerh

May-1

But was declared the winner 

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Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

May-1

Can Zozos, Tawny Port, or Cyberknife remove Cox’s asterisk?  Along with Pletcher and O’Neil they’re the only trainers this year that have a derby win.

princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

May-1

I really do not understand O'Neill's entry at all.....may go off as the longest price in years.  He's still 120-1 at Circa, hard to imagine he'll go off that high though.

Yes, Cox and Pletcher are loaded this year.....but Brown and Asmussen, highly regarded trainers with great stock, both feel they have their best chance this year.

Though it's the first for Yakteen, he's bringing two who have been trained/received by Baffert.  There's no question that he has attracted the highest priced horses over the last many years.  But he has never brought a horse that has raced in the SA Derby and only had one published work after.  In fact, I don't know of any trainer that has brought a horse into the Derby like that, so that's interesting.  Does Yakteen know what a Derby-ready horse looks/feels like?  Is Baffert hoping that Yak fails, further emphasizing that HE makes the difference?

And McPeek.....has been to the Dance previously, but unsuccessfully.  Has he made the right decisions?  This last work for Smile Happy was unremarkable, couldn't get him to make up ground on his work mate, looked just average, with Tiz not much better.

Saffie is excited, emotional, with a colt that has over-achieved....will he continue to do so?  Is he bringing something to the training that Ortiz does, with half-brothers that are now the top progeny for Race Day?

Or will Shintani, with highly unorthodox yet extremely effective methods in Japan, bring his magic over to the US?

Chad just announced, as expected, that Early Voting will not race in the Derby, rather wait until the Preakness.....speaking that he feels the pace of the race does not set up well for his colt.  Wow.

ChiefsCrown

From: ChiefsCrown

May-1

And i pictured you as a Richard Mandella type of trainer!

Oldbettowin

From: Oldbettowin

May-1

 Is Baffert hoping that Yak fails, further emphasizing that HE makes the difference?

I hadn’t thought of that….

Gerh

From: Gerh

May-1

I don’t think that Cox has an asterisk.The horse which finished ahead of him tested positive for a prohibited substance and was rightfully disqualified.

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SameSteve G

From: SameSteve G

May-1

I think you'll really like this, my friend, as you enjoy the international sport.  

Here's an interview with Masa Matsuda, the assistant trainer and exercise rider of Crown Pride.  Masa's English is coming along.  He's a delightful fellow.   

https://mobile.twitter.com/kentuckyderby/status/1519340923687215106

Gerh

From: Gerh

May-1

Interesting interview.Liked his answer when asked about where Crown Pride would be placed in the race.Kelly Breen could learn a thing or two from him

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