Thanks for the post positons.   I don't happen to think post positions are as important in the Belmont as in the KY Derby or Preakness.   Race is plenty long enough to establish positions.  Plus if any stamina horse can run past horses going backwards at the end, Post will make no difference. 

And it's almost always more about horses backing up than the winner actually sprinting by them (unless you're looking at Zenyatta, who did exactly that.)  
Something so few noted because she had that amazing stamina engine, could grind along, but unlike most grinders, she had INCREDIBLE sprinting speed, which she was just able to turn on when given the signal to do so, and she sprinted past everyone.   Few horses in history have this.  Very few.   Put her anywhere, 12 lengths behind; she could stand in the gate and break last.......didn't matter.  It was the sprinting speed and so apparent in her very early maiden races, zoom zoom. 

As a handicapper, she taught me to not just look at distance races for determing distance races,  I watch their early races and see how they ran short races, watch them, look at the splits, and turn of foot. 

In my Opinion Race is between Nest and Creative Minister and my First Choice is Nest and should win this race. Derby Winner Rich Strike will be in the First 4 for sure. I agree Dosage has changed considerably in the last few years and Dosage Profile Number given by the equineline etc are not true as no new CDR are designated but American Breeding has changed is seen in the numbers.  

Ravi Gowande

Pedigreestar 

That is a good observation how much  the American Breeding has changed looking at those numbers is a tel.

Good luck with Nest !

"Shadow" ROTFL.....

Belmont's Friday & Saturday multi-day and multi-mixed- races betting menu.

https://www.belmontstakes.com/racing/post-times-and-wagering-menu

The Shadow roll is a joke! What should be of qustionable concern was and is Derby winner needs back therapy  albeit non med, electrical; yet required to be on Vet list as for Ky rules.

The trainer said his colt is tired. To the media. And would go to sleep after AM work. Too much shadow roll?

DogsUpWired said:

The Shadow roll is a joke! What should be of qustionable concern was and is Derby winner needs back therapy  albeit non med, electrical; yet required to be on Vet list as for Ky rules.

What's this Qustionable concern derby winner needs back Therapy etc, yet required to be on Vet list as for Ky rules !
 

where did this come from ?

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/rich-strike-was-on-vets-list-but-reed-says-its-no-big-deal/

This was quite a big deal for same in I'll Have Another's routine prep for colt's Belmont Stk prep.

Ok thanks, I'm glad the trainer spoke about it, that helps.

Did anybody For Barber Road and Mo Donegal say why those 2 were on the Vets List ?

Do you think we should leave all 3 off of our tickets

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Like the article says all tracks maintain a Vet list of record, but don't publish or public disclose. (Smile) There would be a need for data entry so hugh they'd need a central custodial library.

The new watch dog...eh..I don't like using Dog..for this group is going to face a lot of heat for not having data because they think it should be free.

As well as attorney fees will not come from the tracks, businesses and  individuals they confront. One cannot prosecute stakeholders with their own money. Ask Bob. 

Everybody has a winning ticket or solution...until the gates open. (d) 

:rolls eyes:   Just Stop. 

I think we HAD this converation before the KY Derby and before the Oaks as well.  

Crown Pride was on a 14 day vet list.  Ya think there was anything unsound about him?  There are reasons why horses are on lists.......not because they are unsound. Quarantine for horses coming from afarr Injections like hydrolaunic acid, etc. 

Most every athlete is going to be receiving some sort of therapeutic stuff.  So they go on and off these 14 day lists. 

(which if anything, should make people question why Baffert couldn't seem to keep track of stuff eh?)  


What would make these facts "less conspiracy theory like" is if racing were more transparent to the bettors.  That way, bettors wouldn't get all paranoid about this stuff 

"The veterinarian's list is also a way for officials to keep tabs on horses who have temporary restrictions on their ability to start in a race. State regulations provide varying time ranges in which a horse could be added to the list due to administration of a regulated therapeutic medication, an incident of exercise-induced pulmonary hemorrhage, or other veterinary treatment. It is typically these cases which will have “off dates” as well as “on dates” listed, since their period of restriction is set to automatically expire after a prescribed period of time...."