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Started Nov-2 by pianot; 2580 views.

From: pianot


Just figured I'd kickoff the betting discussion in one folder. Not sure there are alot of chalk across various races. Guess it could all end up that way. Will share my thoughts as we get to race days. Good luck to all.

  • Edited November 2, 2022 6:08 pm  by  pianot
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From: smartyslew


BC Juvenile:8.5f: Everybody going to call it in for Cave Rock with the full package.
How can 4 entrants have N/A for current class. Isn't this a class field !
2 of this 4 are 3rd and 4th highest in average class.
107 Cave Rock 101 National Treasure 96 Forte 88 Congruent 86 Blazing Sevens 86 Wound Up 86 Curly Jack 85 Hurricane J 85Lost Ark 82 Verifying

Back Speed:

107 Cave Rock 101 National Treasure 96 Forte 91Lost Ark 86 Curly Jack 69 Congruent NA Hurricane J NA Verifying NA Blazing Sevens NA Wound U
Current Class:
122.8 Cave Rock 121.7 Forte 119.9 National Treasure 118.7 Curly Jack 117.9Lost Ark 113.4 Congruent NA Hurricane J NA Verifying NA Blazing Sevens NA Wound Up 
Average Class:
122.1 Cave Rock 120.6 Forte 119.1 Verifying 119.1 Blazing Sevens 119.1 National Treasure 118.5 Curly Jack 117.3Lost Ark 115.8 Congruent 115.7 Hurricane J 114.9 Wound Up
Prime Power:
157.5 Cave Rock 145.8 Forte 142.0 National Treasure 138.8Lost Ark 138.5 Verifying 138.1 Curly Jack 137.1 Blazing Sevens 128.5 Hurricane J 128.0 Wound Up 124.3 Congruent
Early Last:
105 Cave Rock 103 National Treasure 100 Hurricane J 99 Forte 94 Curly Jack 86 Congruent 85Lost Ark 81 Wound Up 78 Verifying 73 Blazing Sevens
late pace:
98 Cave Rock 98 Blazing Sevens 96 Congruent 96 Wound Up 92 National Treasure 89 Verifying 87 Forte 81Lost Ark 79 Hurricane J 75 Curly Jack

From: pianot


Well he stands out. I would need the 1 or 5 to press but not sure it will be enough.

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From: pianot



From: Pedigreestar

2:16 PM

1) Private Creed First Choice, Lady Hollywood,Sharp Aza tack for place

2) Vegas Magic First Choice, American Rockette, Leave no trace 

3) Pleasant Passage First choice, Be your Best , Manhattan Jungle

4) Go Bears Go, Arrest Me Red, Emiraaty Ana 

5) Channel Maker,

6) Taiba. 

Highfield Princess, Nations Pride and Flightline are winners. as per my analysis and Nations Pride is the Best Bet of the day.

Ravi Gowande

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From: pianot


rom: smartyslew

12:21 AM

The X denotes the entrants I like, 1 other #9 Nagirroc trained by Graham Motion has only
raced short sprints and imo worth a look.  I'm Tilting Towards #1 Victoria Road 8-1 and he has raced at 9f
and this might be short for him. #4 Silver Knott 3-1 a presser would be my pick, maybe the odds will go up,
If I play Exotics I will use the X entrants. I listed the track conditions, the Runup, Last Q time, graded wins
or wins, bris speed, odds, rail position if noted ,and running style not bris fake numbers for young horses.
IT^S ONLY A Mile race and the winner could come from a first time mile runner.
10th  Keeneland - Friday, November 4th, 2022
STAKES. 1 Mile Turf. Purse $1,000,000. Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf (Grade 1). FOR COLTS AND GELDINGS, TWO-YEARS-OLD. Weight: 122 lbs.; $15,000 to pre-enter, $15,000 to enter, with guaranteed $1 million purse including travel awards of which 52% to the owner of the winner, 17% to second, 9% to third, 5% to fourth, 3% to fifth, 2%to sixth, 1% to seventh, 1% to eighth, 1% to ninth, 1% to tenth; plus travel awards to starters not based in Kentucky. The maximum number of starters is fourteen with four also eligibles. In the event that this race is taken off the turf it will be contested at One Mile on the main track. (05:40 PM) (14)
PP Horse A/S Wgt Jockey Trainer
1x Victoria Road (IRE) 2 C 122 Moore Ryan L.  g3W O'Brien Aidan P. 8-1           RF*   gd
2x Packs A Wahlop
run up160 ft
122 Smith Mike E. 2 g3W Mullins Jeff   6-1  speed  91  rf * 23.40  fm
3 Curly Larry And Mo
Run up 92 ft
2 C 122 Arrieta Francisco Caramori Caio  30-1   speed  74  23.55 fm
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From: DogsUpWired


RACE 6 absolute pass the race type to bet is 5.5 on lawn. Add 2' yos. Fillies Colts. Even more-so any leg in a horizontal.

A key Tri wheel  in 1,2,and 3 spots... is darn that jockey Dettori aboard # 6 Persian Force.


My favorite hcap race is mile lawn -- long. Albeit this is 2 yo girls.

 Dettori/Frankie-Oh on board # 3 Last Call. Ditto for above Tri with the #3 in the 3 spots of wheel.

Hoofnote: Javier Castellano irons up Friday at Belmont @ The Big A and should have a 'field day.

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From: smartyslew


I guess this is alright, a first to happen to me, I do have it in my 2 year old thread I started for 2 year olds.

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1st 2nd 3rd

Juv Turf Sprint Love Reigns The Platinum Queen Mischief Magic

Juv Fillies Chop Chop Atomically Raging Sea

Juv Fillies Turf Delight Meditate Xigera

Juv Forte Cave Rock Curly Jack

Juv Turf Mo Stash Silver Knott Packs a Wahlop

FM Sprint Lady Rocket Obligatory Chain of Love

Turf Sprint Golden Pal Highfield PrincessA rtemus Citylimits

Dirt Mile Slow Down Andy Senor Buscador Cody's Wish

FM Turf In Italian Lady Speightspeare Toy

Sprint Jackie's Warrior O Besos Flash of Mischief

Mile Smooth Like Strait Modern Games Annapolis

Distaff Malathaat Nest Search Results

Turf Mishriff Nations Pride Broome

Classic Flightline Epicenter Hot Rod Charlie

  • Edited November 4, 2022 1:21 am  by
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From: OldForesight


Juvenile Turf Sprint -- American Apple, Oxymore, Love Reigns, Persian Force

Juvenile Fillies -- Grand Love, Alma Rosa, You're My Girl

Juvenile Fillies Turf -- Pleasant Passage, Be Your Best, Delight 

Juvenile -- Cave Rock, Verifying, National Treasure

Juvenile Turf -- Webslinger, Andthewinneris, I'm Very Busy, Packs A Wahlop

Saturday's Card

Fillies & Mare Sprint -- Goodnight Olive, Wicked Halo, Echo Zulu

Turf Sprint -- Golden Pal, Campanelle, Highfield Princess

Dirt Mile -- Laurel River, Law Professor, Gunite

Fillies & Mare Turf -- Above The Curve, Nashwa, Moira

Sprint -- Elite Power, Jackie's Warrior, American Theorem

Turf Mile -- Modern Games, Dreamloper

Distaff -- Society, Nest

Turf -- Nations Pride, War Like Goddess, Rebel's Romance

Classic -- Flightline, Olympiad, Taiba


From: DogsUpWired



Super .10

3/4,6,5,10/All/All.  .20 

3/All/4,5,6,10/All could be repeat ticket