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don't forget to list the byerley turk and godolphin lines in your non phalaris.
key use to be dam side line 24 to line 32 for bt and g.
thanks for that! i think he has access to big training site in Ireland.no telling what happens their,
he is one of those trainers that doesn't take horses anywhere, horses take him.
its hard to bet him, works will have to be good for me to put on a ticket, underneath.
thank you! you really made some serious progress on those cmp's and fast.
Now if I can just learn a little more about how to read them, and triads. l've gotten hopelessly behind due to life circumstances last few years when I had planned on "studying" more LOL
I was there in 1990 to see Unbridled...I was a big fan of that one & watched Kinane on Go And Go dismantle the field & win by open lengths in a very respectable time...2:27 & change.
Of course, Go And Go was far more seasoned.
I hear you, though, about Dermot Weld which is why Bandua is intriguing despite the way he's getting here off those two races.
i was on unbridled in the tc series and the Classic, i liked him a lot and i didn't know squat
for those interested there are only 2 contenders so far on the probs
that have a cmp conduit that has won the belmont
thats from 14 probs or maybe's that i'm looking at
Justify 1h-noontime 1954 high gun CS classification
bandua 8c cherokee rose 1962 jaipur BS classification
What conduit classifications are best for the BEL?
Interesting thing I noticed about the mare's profile (cmp) for Gronkowski and Restoring Hope, and to some extent, Hofburg as well is that they separate into 2 different paths. What is difficult to figure out is, comparing it to their dosage profile (sire) which side cancels out what, and which they will actually use in a race.....and if that depends on the distance or not.
I knew Free Drop Billy could get the distance with his 17 classic points from his sire, then people would see those "4's in his B&I and say "he's not fast enough", but he's got PLENTY of speed from his mare's side as shown in the CMP profile. He just hasn't been called on much to use it. So maybe it only kicks in at certain distances?
This is why just looking at sire side or just dam side doesn't work........it's the combination that makes it possible for horse to do what it does.
i didn't do the cmp stamina number again this year.
some would add that number to the horses cd number and divide by 2 or use the number of that total.
i have in the past and i know you have seen it before add the cmp index number and the cd together for distance.
and divide by 2 . average below 1.00 was good. today with these numbers maybe a little higher.
toss the highest number for the win.
the stamina formula number had a average of .79 for derby winners.
i can't remember the belmont number .