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5/22/18
w/out Mr.Lathrop or Dr. Roman doing updates, and George Smith doing GSVs, I sense that it will be an increasingly difficult task to have information we will be able to use. Most of us are getting older as they are too.
5/22/18
here is where it gets tricky for belmont winners at the time they were 3 yr olds
some have stamina numbers lower than 12, like Tapwrit, Creator.
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Tapwrit cmp profile 11-3--3-5-6 speed 14, stamina 11 index 1.40-
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creator cmp profile 7-6-3-6-5 speed 13 stamina 11, index 1.21
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American Pharoah 8-4-3-10-2 speed 12 stamina 12 index 1.35
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Tonalist 10-4-0-4-11 speed 14 stamina 15 index .92
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you still need to carry speed a distance of ground and having some speed helps most years to get 12 furlongs
or be a grinder like drosselmeyer. am pharoah is a freak with the B at 8 and the P at 2 off set with a 12/12 s/s
but his s/s index at 1.35 and help from his S number of 10.
Not a stand alone angle.
5/22/18
Audible cmp 7-7-7-5-2 speed =14 stamina= 7 index= 1.75 triads= 21-19-14
Justify cmp 10-3-4-6-7 speed 13 stamina 13 index 1.13, triads 17-13-17 ( that is positive)
hofburg cmp 12-4-1-5-10 speed 16 stamina15 index 1.12 triads 17-10-16 (high in the wings B & P) balance
5/22/18
smartyslew said...
Justify cmp 10-3-4-6-7 speed 13 stamina 13 index 1.13, triads 17-13-17 ( that is positive)
Perfectly balanced profile. Very nice
Hofburg's, too My question is, given the kind of high class speed Justify has, I am not sure Hofburg can run other horses down in the stretch Creator did to Destin in the stretch? We've got Bravazo, Justify, Core Beliefs (maybe) Tenfold and Audible who seem faster than he is...I don't particularly love closers in the BEL
5/22/18
thats very important and as you know i love hofburgs pedigree, saying that he has the wrong style
and i would like it very much if he was a forwardly placed style runner.
midnight lute had to be a sprinter because of his style, not his pedigree imho.
hofburg hasn't woke up yet imo. maybe he will at 12 f, he looked lost inside the 1/8 pole in last.
5/22/18
Audible cmp 7-7-7-5-2 speed =14 stamina= 7 index= 1.75 triads= 21-19-14
Justify cmp 10-3-4-6-7 speed 13 stamina 13 index 1.13, triads 17-13-17 ( that is positive)
hofburg cmp 12-4-1-5-10 speed 16 stamina15 index 1.12 triads 17-10-16 (high in the wings B & P) balance
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bravazo cmp 6-3-4-6-6 speed 9 stamina 12 index .86 triads 13-13-16
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tenfold cmp 7-5-2-5-6 speed 12 stamina 11 index 1.11 triads 14-12-13
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5/23/18
Agree 100%.....we'll see what Mott does with him in training leading up to the race
5/23/18
If Mott was not the trainer, I am wondering if people would still be high on Hofburg.
I feel like we just went thru that with Irish War Cry and another highly respected trainer, and said so at the time.