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belmont stakes contenders updated conduit   Triple Crown

Started 5/22/18 by smartyslew; 4725 views.
Julz1127

From: Julz1127

5/22/18

Are you able to provide info on Hofburg??

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Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

5/22/18

w/out Mr.Lathrop or Dr. Roman doing updates, and George Smith doing GSVs, I sense that it will be an increasingly difficult task to have information we will be able to use.  Most of us are getting older as they are too. 

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

5/22/18

here is where it gets tricky for belmont winners at the time they were  3 yr olds
some have stamina numbers lower than 12, like Tapwrit, Creator.

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Tapwrit   cmp profile  11-3--3-5-6  speed  14, stamina 11 index 1.40-

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creator   cmp profile   7-6-3-6-5  speed 13 stamina 11, index 1.21

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American Pharoah    8-4-3-10-2 speed 12  stamina 12 index 1.35

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Tonalist                      10-4-0-4-11  speed 14 stamina 15  index .92

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you still need to carry speed a distance of ground and having some speed helps most years to get 12 furlongs

or be a grinder like drosselmeyer. am pharoah is a freak with the B at 8 and the P at 2 off set with a 12/12 s/s

but his s/s index at 1.35 and help from his S number of 10.

Not a stand alone angle.


 

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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

5/22/18

Audible     cmp      7-7-7-5-2  speed =14   stamina= 7 index= 1.75 triads= 21-19-14

Justify      cmp       10-3-4-6-7 speed 13   stamina 13   index 1.13,  triads 17-13-17   ( that is positive)

hofburg  cmp      12-4-1-5-10 speed 16  stamina15  index   1.12 triads 17-10-16  (high in the wings B & P) balance

Julz1127

From: Julz1127

5/22/18

Thanks so much for the info

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

5/22/18

smartyslew said...

Justify      cmp       10-3-4-6-7 speed 13   stamina 13   index 1.13,  triads 17-13-17   ( that is positive)

Perfectly balanced profile.  Very nice
 

Hofburg's, too   My question is, given the kind of high class speed Justify has, I am not sure Hofburg can run other horses down in the stretch  Creator did to Destin in the stretch?  We've got Bravazo, Justify, Core Beliefs (maybe) Tenfold and Audible who seem faster than he is...I don't particularly love closers in the BEL 

smartyslew

From: smartyslew

5/22/18

thats  very important  and as you know i love hofburgs pedigree, saying that he has the wrong style

and i would like it very much if he was a forwardly placed style runner.

midnight lute had to be a sprinter because of his style, not his pedigree imho.

hofburg hasn't woke up yet imo. maybe he will at 12 f, he looked lost inside the 1/8 pole in last.

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smartyslew

From: smartyslew

5/22/18

Audible     cmp      7-7-7-5-2  speed =14   stamina= 7 index= 1.75 triads= 21-19-14

Justify      cmp       10-3-4-6-7 speed 13   stamina 13   index 1.13,  triads 17-13-17   ( that is positive)

hofburg  cmp      12-4-1-5-10 speed 16  stamina15  index   1.12 triads 17-10-16  (high in the wings B & P) balance

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bravazo  cmp     6-3-4-6-6  speed 9  stamina  12  index .86  triads  13-13-16

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tenfold   cmp   7-5-2-5-6  speed 12 stamina 11  index 1.11  triads 14-12-13

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princeofdoc

From: princeofdoc

5/23/18

Agree 100%.....we'll see what Mott does with him in training leading up to the race

Wintertrian

From: Wintertrian

5/23/18

If Mott was not the trainer, I am wondering if people would still be high on Hofburg.  

I feel like we just went thru that with Irish War Cry and another highly respected trainer, and said so at the time. 

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