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IIRC, there is another newspaper site that does the same thing, but not one I normally read, so can't remember which one...I prefer this, with the link to the real article to the WashPost that requires you to sign up and subscribe! I have adblocker and still get it, too.
Glen (GEAATL) said:
I've seen that a couple times, and when I have a common denominator seems to be that I used a link for the news article that came in email rather than from the main site (like a newspaper's mail). Those links often are lengthy and have ad coding built in (if you play with them there often is the regular link, then a question mark, then some code which tends to be ad related or tracking related, and if I'm careful I can edit it down to a shorter working link to the article. I'm guessing viglink interacts with some of the ad links.
I think Glen hit on it with his post - if I go to the NYT's site and copy from the article it does not paste in the same way as the one on the Meta forum. I think digyourgig is pasting them from a newsletter link.
Funny - when I open one of the messages you linked with IE it goes straight to the NYT site. But with the same browser, the other message leads to the Viglink site where there's a large View Article button. When I use Firefox to view the same links they lead to the page you see with no way to advance to the article.
You can opt out but other viewers could run into the same problem and that's a little frustrating for the host who misses out on member interaction.
You can link him here and we cold help him find a better way to achieve this.
One other difference with the NYTimes and many other news sites is the actual code of their news articles (which does as I note differ based on the initial method you use to get to a story). Some of the means of access now land you on a html style page where you can't use copy/paste at all (I've gotten creative, used view source, where you can scroll to the news part of a page and copy the actual html into a post, but that's rather time intensive). I am guessing some news sites are wanting to make it harder for people to do what hosts here (and bloggers) do with all those snippets, so people have to go direct to the source.
If more sites start coding like the Times, you'll see a lot less copy/paste or see hosts pushed more into doing them from emails (where we'll pick up the ad links). I think it's likely very deliberate.
If you grab the address you can use Zeta's embed media tool to embed a snippit (not sure if this link is a static one) even on Classic forum by tricking your browser with the /zeta after the webtag. No copy/paste of the actual article needed.
The drawback to my plan being - the images are not resized automatically so I have to edit it in classic to shring the image or risk scaring the pants off people.
Thanks for experimenting! I like FF and use it all the time, though I have other browsers on this machine. I might check with Chrome, Safari and Opera and see how they deal with the NYT links.
That's odd that they links behave differently from the different sources when the link is exactly the same. I've been getting them from source code. If I wasn't such a lazy bum I might fiddle with those links some more. ;-)
I'll mention this thread to him in Meta.
I've noticed some of the news sites don't let you copy any text from articles. In Firefox there's a button in the address box to view the page in "reader" mode, and then I can copy text. Other times, when that button isn't in the address box, I've gone to source code and copied from there. But as you said, it's tedious, whether you copy/paste the source code into a post or paste into a text editor and strip the HTML so you can past the plain text into a post (my preference).
As you note a catch to your method is image sizing, and pasting images plus articles also comes with the risk of copyright violation (how much copying goes beyond fair use?). A flaw I get lately in my pasting is many sites are using more and more coding to change text sizing, fonts, etc so one can end up with mouse type or giant type that absent good html skills is hard to change.
The good thing is we have these tricks - the bad is that they all take time, and each has some flaw, be it to potential copyright, sizing and spacing, zeta vs classic, viglinks, etc.
Having said that, it's good that we're sharing the possibilities, as hosts and members at least have tricks to try.
Glen (GEAATL) said:
As you note a catch to your method is image sizing,
But it only takes me a minute if I'm posting it that way on Classic (just used to doing it)
Glen (GEAATL) said:
with the risk of copyright violation (how much copying goes beyond fair use?)
The snippits are part of the sites Share features.
Glen (GEAATL) said:
A flaw I get lately in my pasting is many sites are using more and more coding to change text sizing, fonts, etc so one can end up with mouse type or giant type that absent good html skills is hard to change.
If I have to copy from a site I use the Extended Copy Menu (a Firefox Extension) to copy as plain text and add a link ot the page. I can apply my own bells and whistles after pasting it in plain text if I choose.
An option to bypass the vigilinks is to paste the excerpt in Source mode rather than HTML so the links are not transferred — some additional HTML editing may be required to indicate paragraph breaks <P> and </P>.
It is a good idea to preview an excerpt's underlying HTML after copying text and before posting.