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From: Norrie (NORRIEJ)2/14/17 12:22 PM 
To: All  (1 of 74) 
 37224.1 

Why Many Christians Will Miss the Rapture! The Book of Remembrance Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEmqiG9DNDA&spfreload=1

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How A \u201CTwo Kingdoms\u201D Mindset Is Escorting America To Hell

 When did it change from "We the people" to "screw the people"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tFJsVsPo4&list=PLU16omkJffq4auEcsaU1GdAL0TNyUndS6  Constitution seminar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2POwIwA8E  Geneology of the Constitution

 http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp

Dear politically correct, godless, liberals who are genuinely offended at the sight of the Christ child in a manger, I have GREAT news for you! The next time you see Him, he won't be in a manger! Sadly, if you can't handle His first appearance, you're REALLY not going to like His second appearance.

Stop, Drop, and Roll won't work in Hell.

I don't know (nor do I care) how many attended Trump's inauguration.  But I can tell you exactly how many people attended Hillary's inauguration.  And that's the only number that matters.

 

 
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From: Secundus5552/18/17 2:50 PM 
To: Norrie (NORRIEJ)  (2 of 74) 
 37224.2 in reply to 37224.1 

I do not believe in a "Pre-Trib" Rapture. I am an Amillennialist. I believe the "Rapture" and the Return of Christ are one and the same event, not two separate events separated by 7 years of "tribulation".

I believe the Church will GO THROUGH the Tribulation and that the "Millennium" is not a literal 1,000 years, but is symbolic of this current age and it will culminate with the Tribulation (which is not a literal 7 years either, but an indeterminate number of years) and Christ will return at the end of the Tribulation. 

While Dispensational Premillennialism (Pre-Trib Rapture) is very popular among American Evangelicals, it is actually a MINORITY view in the Church both today and throughout history. The view itself didn't exist until John Nelson Darby developed it in the 1830's. The oldest and most widely held view of the "End Times" is Amillennialism. There was a kind of Premillennialism before the 1830's, but it wasn't like the kind you hear about today. There was no Pre-Trib Rapture. There was no Rapture followed by 7 years of Tribulation and then comes the Return of Christ. That set up didn't come along until the 1830's with Charles Nelson Darby.

For most of the last 2,000 years the overwhelming majority of Christianity has held Amillennialist views. Today, it is held by over 75% of Christianity. But among American Evangelicals (who make up less then 20% of the total world Christian population), 60% hold to Dispensational Premillennialism. This is NOT representative of the rest of Christianity, however. 

The other two minority views are Postmillennialism (which is gaining support among "Dominion Theology" proponents--mostly in the Charismatic movement among the "Prosperity Gospel" teachers), and Classical or Historic Premillennialism (which is an ancient view held by some of the early Church Fathers, but which is DIFFERENT from the Dispensational Premillennial view). Those two combined make up less than 5% of world Christians. 

Secundus

 

 
From: Norrie (NORRIEJ)2/18/17 3:35 PM 
To: Secundus555  (3 of 74) 
 37224.3 in reply to 37224.2 

I have always believed , since I started paying attention to Bible, that it's pretrib, the Bible seems to say so to me.  So if Rapture comes and you're left behind, don't give up!

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How A \u201CTwo Kingdoms\u201D Mindset Is Escorting America To Hell

 When did it change from "We the people" to "screw the people"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tFJsVsPo4&list=PLU16omkJffq4auEcsaU1GdAL0TNyUndS6  Constitution seminar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2POwIwA8E  Geneology of the Constitution

 http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp

Dear politically correct, godless, liberals who are genuinely offended at the sight of the Christ child in a manger, I have GREAT news for you! The next time you see Him, he won't be in a manger! Sadly, if you can't handle His first appearance, you're REALLY not going to like His second appearance.

Stop, Drop, and Roll won't work in Hell.

I don't know (nor do I care) how many attended Trump's inauguration.  But I can tell you exactly how many people attended Hillary's inauguration.  And that's the only number that matters.

 

 

 
From: Secundus5552/18/17 3:56 PM 
To: Norrie (NORRIEJ)  (4 of 74) 
 37224.4 in reply to 37224.3 

The only way I miss the "Rapture" is if I abandon my faith in Christ....which I will not do, by his Grace.

Secundus

 

 
From: Norrie (NORRIEJ)2/18/17 4:12 PM 
To: Secundus555  (5 of 74) 
 37224.5 in reply to 37224.4 

Accd to Perry, you have to be looking for it...

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How A \u201CTwo Kingdoms\u201D Mindset Is Escorting America To Hell

 When did it change from "We the people" to "screw the people"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tFJsVsPo4&list=PLU16omkJffq4auEcsaU1GdAL0TNyUndS6  Constitution seminar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2POwIwA8E  Geneology of the Constitution

 http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp

Dear politically correct, godless, liberals who are genuinely offended at the sight of the Christ child in a manger, I have GREAT news for you! The next time you see Him, he won't be in a manger! Sadly, if you can't handle His first appearance, you're REALLY not going to like His second appearance.

Stop, Drop, and Roll won't work in Hell.

I don't know (nor do I care) how many attended Trump's inauguration.  But I can tell you exactly how many people attended Hillary's inauguration.  And that's the only number that matters.

 

 

 
From: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host2/18/17 6:19 PM 
To: Secundus555  (6 of 74) 
 37224.6 in reply to 37224.2 

Is this also a Methodist view? (I think I read u r Methodist)

 

 

 

     

Psalm119:105 "Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path"

 

 
From: Secundus5552/18/17 7:53 PM 
To: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (7 of 74) 
 37224.7 in reply to 37224.6 

The UMC doesn't have an "official" stance on the matter. They allow a variety of views. That being said, the overwhelming majority of Methodists are Amillennial. 

But the General Conference has never settled on an "official" stance on the End Times.

The same is true of the Anglican and Episcopal Churches. I don't think either of them have an "officially" stated view. But they are both nearly universally Amillennialist. 

Both the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches are almost universally Amillennial (Though, I'm not sure they have "officially" declared this). ALL Churches of Christ are Amillennial (some are even Preterist...which is an extreme version of it that borders on heresy). 

Nearly ALL Presbyterians are Amillennial. 

Some Baptists are Amillennial (the more Conservative ones tend to be Dispensational Premillennial, but the more moderate American Baptist and Northern Baptists are mostly Amillennial). 

Nearly all Pentecostals are Dispensational Premillennial, though in recent years, some have embraced Postmillennial views...especially those who are influenced by "Dominion Theology".

Lutherans are almost universally Amillennialists (though I have heard of some that are not, but they are the exception).

Some few Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, and Episcopalians are "Classical" or "Historic" Premillennial...but they are a TINY minority (remember, that is the one that is DIFFERENT from the "Pretrib Rapture" Dispensational Premillennialism).

If you asked 100 Methodists, those who didn't say, "huh?" nearly all of them would be Amillennialists.

Amillennialism is the view of about 75% of world Christianity.

Secundus

  • Edited February 18, 2017 8:03 pm  by  Secundus555
 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host2/19/17 4:07 PM 
To: Secundus555  (8 of 74) 
 37224.8 in reply to 37224.2 

While Dispensational Premillennialism (Pre-Trib Rapture) is very popular among American Evangelicals, it is actually a MINORITY view in the Church both today and throughout history. The view itself didn't exist until John Nelson Darby developed it in the 1830's

bob>Darby got this from Margret MacDonald, a fruit-cake, her two rich brothers supported Darby and that's how he came into it. 


 

 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host2/19/17 4:09 PM 
To: Secundus555  (9 of 74) 
 37224.9 in reply to 37224.4 

 

The only way I miss the "Rapture" is if I abandon my faith in Christ....which I will not do

bob>You could die early before hand and you would be a "pre-pre/trib LOL. 


 

 

 
From: Norrie (NORRIEJ)2/21/17 2:42 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (10 of 74) 
 37224.10 in reply to 37224.8 

You still believe that BS after all the info and scriptures I've presented over time?  You are pathetic or closed-minded...which?

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How A \u201CTwo Kingdoms\u201D Mindset Is Escorting America To Hell

 When did it change from "We the people" to "screw the people"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tFJsVsPo4&list=PLU16omkJffq4auEcsaU1GdAL0TNyUndS6  Constitution seminar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2POwIwA8E  Geneology of the Constitution

 http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp

Dear politically correct, godless, liberals who are genuinely offended at the sight of the Christ child in a manger, I have GREAT news for you! The next time you see Him, he won't be in a manger! Sadly, if you can't handle His first appearance, you're REALLY not going to like His second appearance.

Stop, Drop, and Roll won't work in Hell.

I don't know (nor do I care) how many attended Trump's inauguration.  But I can tell you exactly how many people attended Hillary's inauguration.  And that's the only number that matters.

 

 

 
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