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From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostOct-4 1:45 PM 
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The actual birthday of Christ. First we must know the Hebrew people did not celebrate birthdays. Since the actual date was not celebrated, it was not known.  This is how all this confusion started. As you know, the first followers of Jesus were Hebrew. Over time, gentiles numbers began to grow and during the time of Constantine the gentile influence became very strong. They desired to establish a date to represent the birthday of Christ. They agree on December 25, as it accommodated the Roman festival of Saturnalia, which celebrated the winter solstice. The birth of Messiah was said to be compatible with Saturnalia’s themes of light returning and hope for the upcoming year. If you are going to pick a day, this is a good one. The light and hope increased from this day forward. However, God picked a very different day. A day that would be significant to his Hebrew people. After all, Jesus was Hebrew and was sent to the Hebrew People, so we could expect him to pick a very important day.   

 

The following is a Hebrew short form summary, the actual full length Hebrew detailed analysis follows. You will see why it took an extensive amount of Hebrew knowledge to figure this out from the bible when you read the long form. 

 

We start in Luke. Mid-June: During Zacharias’ term of service, Gabriel tells him he will father a son (John the Baptist). Zacharias was in the division of Priests called Abijah, who served one week in the month of Tammuz (mid-June) and another week in Kislev (early December).

 

Luke 1:5-16

5There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

7And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.

8And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,

9According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.

10And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.

11And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

12And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

13But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

16And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

KJV

 

In early to mid-July, Elizabeth becomes pregnant

 

Luke 1:24

24And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,

KJV

 

In late December to early January,  during the sixth month of Elisabeth’s Pregnancy, Mary conceives through the miracle of the Holy Spirit.

 

Luke 1:26-31

26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

 

27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

 

28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

 

29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

 

30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

 

31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

KJV

 

In early January, Mary visits Elizabeth who is six months pregnant.

 

Luke 1:39-45

39And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;

 

40And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.

 

41And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

 

42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

 

43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

 

44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

 

45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

KJV

 

In early April, Mary returns home.

 

Luke 1:56

56And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

KJV

 

In April, Elizabeth gives birth to John.

 

Luke 1:57

57Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.

KJV

 

Nine months after Mary conceives, she gives birth to Jesus. This is either late September to early October.

Luke 2:1-8

2:1And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

 

2(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)

 

3And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

 

4And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)

 

5To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

 

6And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

 

7And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

 

8And there were in the same country shepherds abi
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From: Bike (URALTOURIST1) DelphiPlus Member IconOct-5 1:23 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (2 of 6) 
 37762.2 in reply to 37762.1 

Who REALLY cares? that He was born of woman and died for our sins is sufficient in itself.

 

Warren
 
USCG Engineer 1961-1982
 
 
 

 
From: phoenix5035Oct-5 1:34 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (3 of 6) 
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Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Nine months after Mary conceives, she gives birth to Jesus. This is either late September to early October.

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

This places the birth of Christ during the Hebrew season of Sukkot. The feast of the Tabernacles. Sukkot is in the seventh major biblical holiday in the seventh month of the Hebrew calendar. This  Hebrew celebration is when God “dwells” in harmony with mankind. It is during this time God commanded the Hebrew people to dwell in temporary booths (tents) or Tabernacles. It stood for the days when the Hebrew pitched tents and wandered in the wilderness and reminded them of their deliverance from Egypt. Although the Hebrew people did not know it, Sukkot also stands for the exodus and deliverance of God’s people from this world through the Messiah, Jesus Christ.  Allowing only branches for a roof, a sukkah allowed the light of the stars to pass through as a sign the ultimate dwelling place for God’s people is with God. The light shinning through is also symbol of God dwelling with them. Also during the week, seventy bulls (one for each nation) were sacrificed, showing God provided the sacrifice for all nations, not just for the Hebrew nation.

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Gabriel tells him he will father a son (John the Baptist). Zacharias

Bob, I was born in late September on Erev Sukkot (Tishrei 15), and I was baptised, about a year after being 'born again' in late September (on my birthday, 2012), by a Pastor Zacharias.

Some learned Christians believe that Polycarp, the Bishop Of Smyrna, was with John when he composed his Gospel.  Others believe that Polycarp helped him write it down.

Either way, Bob, this is your homework assignment on this the first day of Sukkot:  John 7:1-52.

Don't worry:  You won't be graded on it,-

only Graced!

Amen.  No doubt,

Thomas.

 

 
From: phoenix5035Oct-5 2:01 PM 
To: Bike (URALTOURIST1) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (4 of 6) 
 37762.4 in reply to 37762.2 

Bike (URALTOURIST1) said...

Who REALLY cares? that He was born of woman and died for our sins is sufficient in itself.

That reminds me, Warren:  Remember the premise for the Jimmy Stewart/Frank Capra movie-"It's A Wonderful Life"?

He wants to know what it would be like if he had never been born.

Get on your bike, Warren, and transport that back in time from Dec. 25 to The Feast Of Tabernacles, and-

enjoy!

 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostOct-6 9:51 AM 
To: Bike (URALTOURIST1) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (5 of 6) 
 37762.5 in reply to 37762.2 

Who REALLY cares?

bob>You don't and you haven't even read it. 

that He was born of woman and died for our sins is sufficient in itself.

bob>The time of His birth was planned for centuries a special holy time was established for it, we don't have the right birthday to be saved, for those who want more about Christ, here it is. 

 


 

  • Edited October 6, 2017 10:02 am  by  Bob (Bobbylee7)
 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostOct-6 10:01 AM 
To: phoenix5035  (6 of 6) 
 37762.6 in reply to 37762.3 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Nine months after Mary conceives, she gives birth to Jesus. This is either late September to early October.

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

This places the birth of Christ during the Hebrew season of Sukkot. The feast of the Tabernacles. Sukkot is in the seventh major biblical holiday in the seventh month of the Hebrew calendar. This  Hebrew celebration is when God “dwells” in harmony with mankind. It is during this time God commanded the Hebrew people to dwell in temporary booths (tents) or Tabernacles. It stood for the days when the Hebrew pitched tents and wandered in the wilderness and reminded them of their deliverance from Egypt. Although the Hebrew people did not know it, Sukkot also stands for the exodus and deliverance of God’s people from this world through the Messiah, Jesus Christ.  Allowing only branches for a roof, a sukkah allowed the light of the stars to pass through as a sign the ultimate dwelling place for God’s people is with God. The light shinning through is also symbol of God dwelling with them. Also during the week, seventy bulls (one for each nation) were sacrificed, showing God provided the sacrifice for all nations, not just for the Hebrew nation.

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Gabriel tells him he will father a son (John the Baptist). Zacharias

Bob, I was born in late September on Erev Sukkot (Tishrei 15), and I was baptised, about a year after being 'born again' in late September (on my birthday, 2012), by a Pastor Zacharias.

bob>Interesting. You do have Jewish tie, right?

Some learned Christians believe that Polycarp, the Bishop Of Smyrna, was with John when he composed his Gospel.  Others believe that Polycarp helped him write it down.

bob>I've heard that too. John was having bad eyesight and needed help and it's no stretch to think Polycarp heled do that. 

Either way, Bob, this is your homework assignment on this the first day of Sukkot:  John 7:1-52.

Don't worry:  You won't be graded on it,-

bob>Great passage, His time had not come, but the it's clear what the intentions of the High Jews was, it was on. 

 


 

 

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