Amazingly In the last week or so I've been contemplating writting about how Catholics look at Christianity.
bob>Thanks Corky, that would be great.
It all began shortly after creation. Several Saints
bob>Who are the saints, man is not created yet?
who said they had spoke to God had stated that God had gathereed the Angels and said that His plan was to create man. Man would sin and He would send His Son who would become man and die for mankind.
bob>When God gives freewill, sin will be a natural product of that, but it's not God's fault. He also gave freewill to the angels, they sinned but why don't they need "His Son" for them?
Lucifer the prince of the Angels (most glorious of the Angels) was incensed. He said that he would adore God because in Gods glory he saw his reflection of his glory but he would never bow down to a man (Jesus.) This started the revolt of the Angles with Micheal defeating Lucifer, Lucifer then becomes Satan (one who blocks.) With the plan God had picked Mary to be created sinless, like Adam and Eve were. Sinless inorder for her to bare Christ in her womb.
bob>I agree, the jealousy of the angels led many of them to resent mankind.
Jump to about 16 BC. A woman by the name of Anne was married to a man named Joachim. They had been married a long time and were childless, just as the parents of Issac and John the Baptist. God granted them their prayer and Mary was born. She grew up happy, lively, obedient, and religious. My interptaion that because of Anne's and Joachim's age that they could not afford a dowry
bob>The dowry was given from the man to the fanily of the women he wanted to be his wife. It was to repay her family for her "loss" to the family.
and Mary's holiness, they gave her to the Temple Priest to be a Temple Virgin ( these priest would offer up young religious girls as virgins so that Isaiah 7:14 could be fulfilled.) They would bring old holy widowers to act as protectors for these young girls. The priest would go to a girl and hold his hand over the girls head and wait for a sign from God to which widower would be matched up with that girl. When the priest came to Mary and held his hand over the girls head a dove flew in and settled on Josephs staff.
bob>I never heard of this.
This is when the Biblical narritive begin With in a year the the Arc-Angel visits Mary and Mary visits Elizabeth and She then becomes the Blessed Virgin Mary. Within 2 years of the Temple Jesus is born. The Blessed Virgin Mary promised God to remain a Virgin all of her life,
bob>We don't see that in the bible, where does this come from?
God fulfilled the promise in Isaiah 7:14. She was planed to be the mother of God from before the creation of Man. She had a choice to decline it. She could have said no because if she was considered a adultress she would have been stoned.
bob>She was married. When the dowry was agreed to, both signed a "marriage contract" and they were "married from that day on, even though the husband would not take her for about a year, as he was to prepare a place/house for her first, when completed he would go and get her and there would be a week long marriage celebration. She WAS NOT conceived out of marriage, she was married, just not with her husband yet.
She said yes so she is the most heric and greatest person outside of Jesus who has ever lived for with her Yes she allowed the world to be saved. This is why the Blessed Virgin Mary is worhiped in a hyper-dulia way, that is hero worshiped.
bob>She was a wonderful woman, she deserves respect and honor, but now worship, she's not God.
Jump to the death of Christ. With that the Apostles went into hiding. Strike the Shepard and the Sheep will scatter. Jesus rises from the dead and they gather again. With this Jesus forgives Peter for his denial by making him the Shepard, feed my lambs and feed my sheep, take care of my sheep.
bob>Peter did not scatter, he was the strongest of the 12, when Christ told Peter he would deny him 3 times, guess what, Peter is going to deny Him, this was done to fulfill prophecy, it was NOT peter's freewill choice to deny Christ, he had to.
They did not have the nerve to go out and preach so they gathered together for the love feast (communion.)
bob>"Communion" was done at passover, BEFORE the cross occured. It was part of the passover seder for 400 years. It was not a new celebration, Christ was telling them what it was done for all those years, to represent His sacrifice for mankind.
Jesus assends into heaven and the continue to gather until Penticost where they and a little over 100 others were filled with the Holy Spirit.
bob>I believe it was 3000.
This is the birth of the Church because the Holy Spirit gave them courage to go out and preach the Gospel.
bob>They got the Holy Spirit then.