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From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostDec-13 10:27 AM 
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Love the sinner hate the sin (LSHS) is a terrible teaching by many churches today. The sinner causes the sin, it's from his heart. God does not send the sin to hell and the sinner to heaven, what do you think? 


 

 
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From: Reforger1Dec-22 7:52 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (2 of 78) 
 38855.2 in reply to 38855.1 

If we are children of God, made in His image, we should love that which God loves and hate that which God hates. God loves sinners, or He wouldn't have sent His Son to provide a way of reconciliation for us. But he hates sin, evidenced by the declarations in the bible of the final state of sinners.

Do you love a sinner enough to tell them the truth about sin? Or do you hate the sinner along with the sin and condemn them, without a chance of redemption? So please explain to me why we shouldn't love the sinner and hate the sin. If your entire argument is based on how soft churches and people are about tough love, you are saying that because people can't measure up to what God says we shouldn't even try. You are missing that God loved us when we were sinners, in spite of the fact of our sin which made us worthy only of death, or He wouldn't have supplied a way of salvation for us.

 

 
From: Spiritest_25_77 (Spiritest_24)Dec-22 11:43 PM 
To: Reforger1  (3 of 78) 
 38855.3 in reply to 38855.2 

Absolutely.

Love the sinner/the lost enough to tell them clearly and plainly WHAT JESUS and the apostles and prophets have ALWAYS declared without fear or favor: Judgment {which includes damnation & condemnation} awaits those who have not repented and have REJECTED the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

This is sometimes called, "The Flip-side of the Good News," or: "The Bad News for rejecting {or ignoring} The Good News." - and it is 1000% valid from a biblical perspective.

Neither GOD *nor* His Son/Messiah Yeshuah is to be trifled with.

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From: Norrie (NORRIEJ)Dec-23 12:38 AM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (4 of 78) 
 38855.4 in reply to 38855.1 

I think you should love them enough to say, hey, your on the road to hell, not suck up to them or anything like that tho...

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How A \u201CTwo Kingdoms\u201D Mindset Is Escorting America To Hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tFJsVsPo4&list=PLU16omkJffq4auEcsaU1GdAL0TNyUndS6  Constitution seminar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2POwIwA8E  Geneology of the Constitution

 http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp

Dear politically correct, godless, liberals who are genuinely offended at the sight of the Christ child in a manger, I have GREAT news for you! The next time you see Him, he won't be in a manger! Sadly, if you can't handle His first appearance, you're REALLY not going to like His second appearance.

Stop, Drop, and Roll won't work in Hell.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. Benjamin Franklin
Why do black Democratic congresspersons seem so unhappy with record low black unemployment? Because it might mean unemployment for them. And their lives as political parasites will have been meaningless wastes.
 

 
From: Spiritest_25_77 (Spiritest_24)Dec-23 12:45 AM 
To: Norrie (NORRIEJ)  (5 of 78) 
 38855.5 in reply to 38855.4 

Agreed. There is a time to be very clear, bold, and upfront about CONSEQUENCES and matters of ultimate concern.

it's not a good idea to "buddy-up" to the enemies of the Gospel and REJECTERS of the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

 

btw, high freemasons and luciferians have always propagated the concept of "just live and let live." "don't make any waves" among those who "believe differently." - it's a very freemason idea and concept. ... but Jesus and the apostles never held to that "idea," - which was one of the main reasons they were persecuted and not "in with the in-crowd."

 

 
From: Norrie (NORRIEJ)Dec-23 9:34 AM 
To: Spiritest_25_77 (Spiritest_24)  (6 of 78) 
 38855.6 in reply to 38855.5 

I just saw where Good Morning America had a child drag queen on promoting that...see where the slippery slope saying homo. was ok leads too...or that baker in CO that went up to SC fighting against them is still fighting, now the transgenders are after him...come on!!!  

Come, Lord Jesus!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elrBnIh1JKU&t=85s

How A \u201CTwo Kingdoms\u201D Mindset Is Escorting America To Hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tFJsVsPo4&list=PLU16omkJffq4auEcsaU1GdAL0TNyUndS6  Constitution seminar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2POwIwA8E  Geneology of the Constitution

 http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp

Dear politically correct, godless, liberals who are genuinely offended at the sight of the Christ child in a manger, I have GREAT news for you! The next time you see Him, he won't be in a manger! Sadly, if you can't handle His first appearance, you're REALLY not going to like His second appearance.

Stop, Drop, and Roll won't work in Hell.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. Benjamin Franklin
Why do black Democratic congresspersons seem so unhappy with record low black unemployment? Because it might mean unemployment for them. And their lives as political parasites will have been meaningless wastes.
 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostDec-28 10:11 AM 
To: Reforger1  (7 of 78) 
 38855.7 in reply to 38855.2 

If we are children of God, made in His image, we should love that which God loves and hate that which God hates. God loves sinners, or He wouldn't have sent His Son to provide a way of reconciliation for us. But he hates sin, evidenced by the declarations in the bible of the final state of sinners.

bob>That's a good way to put that to support the "love the sinner hat the sin" quote that is so popular today, but the fact is God hates the sinner AND the sin they commit Sodaom is a good example of this. The stand in the gap tribe is another example. The sin is the product of the sinner and his heart. One can't separate the sin from the sinner. God does not send the sin to hell and the sinner to heaven, right? 

Do you love a sinner enough to tell them the truth about sin? Or do you hate the sinner along with the sin and condemn them, without a chance of redemption? So please explain to me why we shouldn't love the sinner and hate the sin. If your entire argument is based on how soft churches and people are about tough love, you are saying that because people can't measure up to what God says we shouldn't even try. You are missing that God loved us when we were sinners, in spite of the fact of our sin which made us worthy only of death, or He wouldn't have supplied a way of salvation for us.

bob>I am with a prison ministry and the issue they have is their sins are well known and most accept they did the crime and the time. We do reach them as that's what God told us to do, we reach them and I don't know them at first, so I don't love them, some are rats but most are good people. So, I don't present Chrsit to them and help them get back into life on the right path because I love them, I don't know them, I pray for them, I work in their interest as it's good for them to follow the path we lay out, but I do it because it's God's will and I want to do it. I do it for God and for them. Did that answer your questions? 


 

 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostDec-28 10:13 AM 
To: Norrie (NORRIEJ)  (8 of 78) 
 38855.8 in reply to 38855.4 

I think you should love them enough to say, hey, your on the road to hell, not suck up to them or anything like that tho...

bob>Yes! We are also told to "shake the dust" and move on when they won't listen. Do we leave them because we love them? 


 

 

 
From: ButchkingDec-28 10:42 AM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (9 of 78) 
 38855.9 in reply to 38855.7 

I believe you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word "love"(Agape) which unlike our meaning of the word, in the Greek, has four different types of love.

In a nutshell, the agape love means to put others first ahead of ourselves(just as your currently doing in your prison ministry) and do all we can to help them, especially in the area of salvation, since the Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that all should repent and receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

We're driving down the road and see an older couple on the side of the highway, with a flat tire, trunk open, and a bewildered look on his face. If we can, we should stop and help them get back on the road, and instead of accepting their thanks, tell them that Jesus Christ gets all the glory, and if possible, lead them to Christ. That's an example of agape love, putting others interests first and before our own.

 

 
From: Norrie (NORRIEJ)Dec-28 10:46 AM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (10 of 78) 
 38855.10 in reply to 38855.8 

We leave them because we tried and they scoffed...maybe another will reach them...maybe not...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elrBnIh1JKU&t=85s

How A \u201CTwo Kingdoms\u201D Mindset Is Escorting America To Hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tFJsVsPo4&list=PLU16omkJffq4auEcsaU1GdAL0TNyUndS6  Constitution seminar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2POwIwA8E  Geneology of the Constitution

 http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp

Dear politically correct, godless, liberals who are genuinely offended at the sight of the Christ child in a manger, I have GREAT news for you! The next time you see Him, he won't be in a manger! Sadly, if you can't handle His first appearance, you're REALLY not going to like His second appearance.

Stop, Drop, and Roll won't work in Hell.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. Benjamin Franklin
Why do black Democratic congresspersons seem so unhappy with record low black unemployment? Because it might mean unemployment for them. And their lives as political parasites will have been meaningless wastes.
 

 
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