bob>God wants ALL to come, calvinsim says only a very few can come.
I think both sides on that issue is not being understood clearly by the other in regards to other truths in scripture. Calvinism may see your statement that God wants all to come to be saved and yet clearly not every one is being saved when they hear the gospel and so that's making God look like no matter what He wants, He can't always get what He wants. So I believe the word desire is being misinterpreted or simply misunderstood by both sides when each side present their belief.
bob>Calvinism says everyone CAN"T be saved, as one has to be predestined before they are born to be saved or not and NOTHING one does in this life can ever change their predestination. It has a fundamental flaw in that it does not know a few were predestined to SERVE, not to be saved.
I believe God can save everybody and that is His desire to save everybody,
bob>Then you just debunked Calvinism, which is the right thing to do!
but John 3:18-21 explains why God doesn't reveal His Son to everybody and that is because He sees that they love doing evil rather than come to the light so they can turn from them. Only the Father can draw men unto the Son ( John 6:44 ) Only the Father can hide the truth from the prudent and the wise of this world and yet reveal them unto babes to believe in His Son ( Matthew 11:25-27 ) That is why our believing in Jesus is the work of God Himself ( John 3:18-21 again ) Obviously, Revelation does testify to some of humanity going into the lake of fire. Revelation 21:8
bob>God wants ALL to come, you can't get away from that! God gave each of us the freewill do follow Him or reject Him, it's our call.
bob>I'm not a fan of deathbed conversions, those who are sold on it claim hitler may have been saved as he shot himself. the problem with calinism is it takes the few predestined verses in the bible and thinks everyone who become saved is predestined to be saved before they are born. There are a very few predestined in the bible to be saved, Abraham, Moses, David, Peter and a few others, they were predestined to SERVE, not to be SAVED... Predestination is about SERVING God to reach others.
I doubt Hitler will be of the firstfruit of the resurrection,
bob>I KNOW hitler won't be saved!!! Why don't you that? If we have confusion about hitler, we need to remember confusion is not from God.
seeing how he ended his life in sin by killing himself as that is hard to repent from, but we may be surprised if he is one of the vessels unto dishonor. We have to wait and see if he was really a believer at all, who obviously did not abide in His words to follow Him.
bob>Hitler was pure evil, even to his own German people, the bible speaks of a reprobate heart/mind, that's hitler!!!
But Hitler is not a valid reason to discount deathbed conversations. anyone courting it, should realize that death can strike at any moment, leaving no time for deathbed conversion so they should call on the name of the Lord now to be saved.
Is God a Respecter of person? No. So if He predestined those you listed to be saved,
bob>Predestined to SERVE, not to be saved!! David speaks of having the Holy Spirit in the womb with him, David was predestined to SERVE God, to lead others to God.