To me, a FORMER Calvinist, the weakest link in Calvinism is Limited Atonement, and the next weakest is Irresistible Grace. These two have the weakest arguments for them, the least Biblical support, and the most Biblical Evidence AGAINST them.
bob>Good points. It bothers me that John Calvin didn't come up with the theory, but put his name to it. His name on it gave him power and importance, which I assume he loved.
It the final nail in the coffin for my belief in Calvinist was the fact that NO ONE in the 1500 yrs before Calvin EVER taught what he taught regarding Predestination and Election. Not even St. Augustine would have agreed with Calvin's teachings.
If Calvinism is so Biblical and so correct and so central to understanding the Gospel (as they claim it is), how come NO ONE ELSE in the 1500 yrs before Calvin ever taught it? Did NO ONE before Calvin understand the Gospel?
bob>Good points! It seems to have been created by Margaret MacDonald in one of her "visions" and passed on to Darby, which is how it got spread. Is this your understanding?
I know many godly men and women who are Calvinists. I respect them, but I cannot agree with them on the Doctrines of Election.
bob>I know people who went to a Presbyterian church and didn't know what Calvinism was. The pass time of the calvinist church I attended was to state how many points one was, no one was hardly ever a 5, most were 2 or 3, which hacked off the pastor, he said one was a 5 or they were not calvinist at all. We had one calvinsit pastor visit and gave the sermon and stated if one was not a calvinist, they were not saved.
I do not believe that Calvinism is Heresy, but I do do believe it is not correct. I believe it is a mistaken understanding of Election and Soteriology.
bob>I think it's really about predestination, and a very few were predestined to SERVE, like Noah, Moses, David, the 12 and a few others, they were not predestined to be SAVED, but to serve.
I don't see it as a "salvational" issue. Christians if good conscience can disagree on this issue and it is not an issue if orthodoxy vs Heresy.
bob>It's salvation as those who accept it, don't have to worry about following Christ or His teachings, they are saved before they are born and there is no way they can ever do anything in this life that can change that. So, eat, drink and be merry, you're saved!