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From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostNov-24 11:40 AM 
To: All  (1 of 29) 
 41034.1 

Was the election rigged? Many think so, did it change the outcome? It may have. In any event, we will have to get thru the next four years and it may be the worst 4 years to get thru we have ever seen, not just because radical socialist are in change now, but there are huge world wide issues at hand now. The dollar can't hold on much longer, there will be a global financial "reset" of utmost importance, the covid world will continue for how many years? The effort into the New World Order via the UN will be intense! Climate Change politics will be fired up! World population controls will be pursued! The attack on God and those who follow Him will be charged up! And no telling what else. What are your thoughts? 


 

 
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From: Secundus555Nov-24 4:14 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (2 of 29) 
 41034.2 in reply to 41034.1 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Was the election rigged?

No. 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Many think so, did it change the outcome?

Many think so without ANY credible evidence of large-scale widespread voter fraud. 

They think so because they believe the President for whom truth is simply whatever he decides it is, and facts be d*mned.

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

It may have.

If it was, why couldn't they prove it in court? Are the courts in on the Conspiracy, too? Every single courtroom where these allegations were made, threw them out as frivolous and meritless. 

If they have evidence of widespread large-scale voter fraud, they should present their evidence and prove it in court. If they cannot, it means the "evidence" was nothing in the first place.

You cannot sit there and HONESTLY tell me that after ALL of these lawsuits have been thrown out that you REALLY think there is any CREDIBLE evidence of massive, organized voter fraud on a scale large enough to sway the election.

You are a reasonable man. When EVERY SINGLE LAWSUIT gets tossed out as meritless, shouldn't that cause you to pause and wonder if they ever REALLY had any evidence in the first place?

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

it may be the worst 4 years to get thru we have ever seen, not just because radical socialist are in change now

Biden isn't a radical socialist. He ran as a Moderate. He has a 40+yr history of being a Moderate. 

I doubt very seriously that he will even TRY to do anything particularly radical. Especially if he has to contend with a Republican Senate and a reduced majority in the House. 

You think a big tax hike would get passed in a Republican Senate? You think they'll have the votes even in the House for anything approaching the Radical Socialist agenda? Not a chance. 

My guess is that these next 4 yrs will be largely stabilizing and very little major change. Yeah, he'll do some things we don't like, but nothing like what you are fearing. He won't have the votes or even the inclination to do most of those radical things you are imagining he will do. 

Even Obama, as bad as he was, was nowhere NEAR as radical as people thought he would be. 

Let's be realistic, not doomsday about this.

And in 4 yrs, Joe will be done, and we'll get to choose again.

 

Secundus

  • Edited November 24, 2020 4:16 pm  by  Secundus555
 

 
From: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member IconNov-24 4:50 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (3 of 29) 
 41034.3 in reply to 41034.1 

Latinos are gathering at the border and ready to come in. Biden said he won't keep them out and if the wall isn't finished by the time he takes office, he won't finish it.  Our country will be over welmed supporting them. 

Biden says that he plans on putting a stop to America first.  I don't doubt that at all. He will continue to look for ways to gather money for himself, his family and who knows who else? He will do that by taking bribes and that means all those jobs Trump brought back will be out sourced again. Bad for American workers. All those coal mining jobs Trump brought back will be gone. Pennsylvaniaians voted for that?  They have no reasoning to see that?  I find that hard to believe. 

Btw, what's with all the "retreads" (as the media calls them) for Biden's staff? I feel we are in for a bumpy ride the next 4 years. We all know Biden won't make it that long.

 

 

 

     

Psalm119:105 "Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path"

 

 
From: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member IconNov-24 4:53 PM 
To: Secundus555  (4 of 29) 
 41034.4 in reply to 41034.2 

And in 4 yrs, Joe will be done, and we'll get to choose again.

Ginger>I doubt you will as there is no candidate worth your vote. 

 

 

 

     

Psalm119:105 "Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path"

 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostNov-24 4:53 PM 
To: Secundus555  (5 of 29) 
 41034.5 in reply to 41034.2 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Was the election rigged?

No. 

bob>Depends on what "rigged" means, not even one vote? Thousands of dead voting? 96K biden only votes in PA run all together, doesn't that sound rigged? One can't go get the names off those supposed biden ballots and check to see they actually voted that way, but it sounds rigged? Yes? 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Many think so, did it change the outcome?

Many think so without ANY credible evidence of large-scale widespread voter fraud. 

bob>It's the "strange" things that, if they are true, cause some concern, yes? Would there be enough found to throw out some ballots? A recount would not help, but the voting machine irregularities might be investigatable, would you be for that? Would you be for taking Trump outside and setting him on fire? You'd get lot's of help with that! LOL 

They think so because they believe the President for whom truth is simply whatever he decides it is, and facts be d*mned.

bob>You're right, we can't go with Trump's whims only. 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

It may have.

If it was, why couldn't they prove it in court? Are the courts in on the Conspiracy, too? Every single courtroom where these allegations were made, threw them out as frivolous and meritless. 

bob>Nice to see you say it couldn't be proven in court, which is the issue here. 

If they have evidence of widespread large-scale voter fraud, they should present their evidence and prove it in court. If they cannot, it means the "evidence" was nothing in the first place.

bob>If they found a few voting machines being manipulated, that's not enough perhaps, but they say some machines processed more ballots per/hr than possible. That must give you great concern... or not. 

You cannot sit there and HONESTLY tell me that after ALL of these lawsuits have been thrown out that you REALLY think there is any CREDIBLE evidence of massive, organized voter fraud on a scale large enough to sway the election.

bob>Dems holding court doesn't give me any comfort, they impeached him on what? 

You are a reasonable man. When EVERY SINGLE LAWSUIT gets tossed out as meritless, shouldn't that cause you to pause and wonder if they ever REALLY had any evidence in the first place?

bob>Yes, it does. It does seem the overwhelming evidence they tout is mixed with some political BS. 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

it may be the worst 4 years to get thru we have ever seen, not just because radical socialist are in change now

Biden isn't a radical socialist. He ran as a Moderate. He has a 40+yr history of being a Moderate.

bob>He's paid homage to them and Biden is going to do what he's told, if he can understand what it is.  

I doubt very seriously that he will even TRY to do anything particularly radical. Especially if he has to contend with a Republican Senate and a reduced majority in the House. 

bob>The Senate is the issue now, Georgia don't fail me now! If they get Georgia, then we could see two new dem states, more S court judges and goose stepping down the DC Mall. 

You think a big tax hike would get passed in a Republican Senate? You think they'll have the votes even in the House for anything approaching the Radical Socialist agenda? Not a chance. 

bob>They got impeachment through, was that an upfront truthful push through the house? 

My guess is that these next 4 yrs will be largely stabilizing and very little major change. Yeah, he'll do some things we don't like, but nothing like what you are fearing. He won't have the votes or even the inclination to do most of those radical things you are imagining he will do. 

bob>Are you fond of Iran with a nuke? Paris deal? Climate control? US oil industry going away? No wall? No police? Ect? 

Even Obama, as bad as he was, was nowhere NEAR as radical as people thought he would be. 

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From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostNov-24 4:56 PM 
To: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (6 of 29) 
 41034.6 in reply to 41034.3 

Latinos are gathering at the border and ready to come in. Biden said he won't keep them out and if the wall isn't finished by the time he takes office, he won't finish it.  Our country will be over welmed supporting them. 

bob>Biden would open up the wall anyway, it's open border time again. 

Biden says that he plans on putting a stop to America first.  I don't doubt that at all. He will continue to look for ways to gather money for himself, his family and who knows who else? He will do that by taking bribes and that means all those jobs Trump brought back will be out sourced again. Bad for American workers. All those coal mining jobs Trump brought back will be gone. Pennsylvaniaians voted for that?  They have no reasoning to see that?  I find that hard to believe. 

bob>Me too! This could end up being a good thing if the dems get sick of the radical left running things into the ground, if the nation survives and we can get back in power, then we have a chance to run some more. 

Btw, what's with all the "retreads" (as the media calls them) for Biden's staff? I feel we are in for a bumpy ride the next 4 years. We all know Biden won't make it that long.


 

 

 
From: Secundus555Nov-24 5:26 PM 
To: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (7 of 29) 
 41034.7 in reply to 41034.4 

Ginger (TGANNON) said...

And in 4 yrs, Joe will be done, and we'll get to choose again.

Ginger>I doubt you will as there is no candidate worth your vote. 

The only Republican candidate since 1988 I haven't been able to vote for was Donald Trump. 

There are plenty of candidates I could vote for. I liked Ted Cruz. I liked Marco Rubio. I've voted Republican in every Presidential Election since 1988...all the way until 2016. 

I just couldn't vote for Trump.

I've told you my reasons why many times. 

But there are PLENTY of other Candidates I could vote for.

If Trump runs again in 2024 (I seriously doubt it, but it could happen), I will NOT vote for him. But I think that other candidates will step forward by then that I could support. 

 

Secundus

 

 
From: Ginger (TGANNON) DelphiPlus Member IconNov-24 5:33 PM 
To: Secundus555  (8 of 29) 
 41034.8 in reply to 41034.7 

I apologize.  I did not phrase that nicely. Sometimes, I can be curt.  

 

 

 

     

Psalm119:105 "Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path"

 

 
From: Secundus555Nov-24 5:49 PM 
To: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (9 of 29) 
 41034.9 in reply to 41034.5 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

bob>Depends on what "rigged" means, not even one vote?

Sure. Probably hundreds across the country. But they are ISOLATED and statistically insignificant. 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Thousands of dead voting? 96K biden only votes in PA run all together, doesn't that sound rigged?

That never happened. The "dead voter" lists have been checked and found to be false. The supposed "96K Biden only votes" was a mistake in the reporting, a data entry error that was quickly revised and fixed. 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

but the voting machine irregularities might be investigatable, would you be for that?

The voting machines have a PAPER BACKUP. Even if someone rigged a machine to change votes, the paper backups that are printed for each voter could be matched up and if it didn't match, it would be immediately flagged. 

There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever of tampering or rigging the voting machines. 

It was a wild, unsubstantiated allegation by a Trump lawyer who now even Trump has distanced himself from, cutting her from his legal team.

Even Trump's biggest supporters in the media like Tucker Carlson and Rush Limbaugh say she has presented NO evidence to support her claims.

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Would you be for taking Trump outside and setting him on fire?

Contrary to what you might think, I don't hate Trump. I don't want him to be prosecuted for any supposed crimes his critics may think he committed while in office. I think that is ridiculous and dangerous talk. I'm not a Democrat. 

I just want him out of the White House.

I want the Party of Reagan back. I want a GROWN UP in the white House. 

I don't like Joe Biden, either but I think he's going to be largely ineffectual over the next 4 yrs, and I hope he is. I think he may bring stability back to our foreign policy and civility back to Washington. But I disagree with his desire to raise taxes, rejoin the Paris Climate Accord, and limit fracking on federal lands. 

That's why I couldn't vote for him. But I'm not really that worried about him. I think the GOP will keep the majority in the Senate and that will keep him from doing much damage.

But I gotta tell you, I'm GLAD Trump is leaving the White House.

I see Biden as a transitional president, more of a place-holder, who won't change too much and who will be gone in 4 yrs. . 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

bob>They got impeachment through, was that an upfront truthful push through the house? 

Impeachment only requires the House to pass it. But the Senate Acquitted him. And it was a FOOLISH thing for the Dems to do in the first place. 

Passing laws requires BOTH houses of Congress. 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

are you for Trump back again? LOL

You know the answer to that one, Bob. 

 

Secundus

  • Edited November 24, 2020 5:52 pm  by  Secundus555
 

 
From: Bob (Bobbylee7) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostNov-25 9:56 AM 
To: Secundus555  (10 of 29) 
 41034.10 in reply to 41034.9 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

bob>Depends on what "rigged" means, not even one vote?

Sure. Probably hundreds across the country. But they are ISOLATED and statistically insignificant. 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Thousands of dead voting? 96K biden only votes in PA run all together, doesn't that sound rigged?

That never happened. The "dead voter" lists have been checked and found to be false. The supposed "96K Biden only votes" was a mistake in the reporting, a data entry error that was quickly revised and fixed.

bob>It seems they found over 500 in Pa, but that didn't make much of a difference, the dead don't like Trump either! LOL 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

but the voting machine irregularities might be investigatable, would you be for that?

The voting machines have a PAPER BACKUP. Even if someone rigged a machine to change votes, the paper backups that are printed for each voter could be matched up and if it didn't match, it would be immediately flagged. 

bob>There is a voting machine expert trying to get info from certain states, but I don't think they will give it to him. He needs a court order I would think. 

There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever of tampering or rigging the voting machines. 

It was a wild, unsubstantiated allegation by a Trump lawyer who now even Trump has distanced himself from, cutting her from his legal team.

bob>The voting machine expert was on TV yesterday, he didn't vote for Trump, he just wants the elections to be investigated so people will accept this one. 

Even Trump's biggest supporters in the media like Tucker Carlson and Rush Limbaugh say she has presented NO evidence to support her claims.

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Would you be for taking Trump outside and setting him on fire?

Contrary to what you might think, I don't hate Trump. I don't want him to be prosecuted for any supposed crimes his critics may think he committed while in office. I think that is ridiculous and dangerous talk. I'm not a Democrat. 

bob>Would you want the investigations into the Bidens to continue? 

I just want him out of the White House.

I want the Party of Reagan back. I want a GROWN UP in the white House. 

I don't like Joe Biden, either but I think he's going to be largely ineffectual over the next 4 yrs, and I hope he is. I think he may bring stability back to our foreign policy and civility back to Washington. But I disagree with his desire to raise taxes, rejoin the Paris Climate Accord, and limit fracking on federal lands. 

That's why I couldn't vote for him. But I'm not really that worried about him. I think the GOP will keep the majority in the Senate and that will keep him from doing much damage.

bob>They better! 

But I gotta tell you, I'm GLAD Trump is leaving the White House.

bob>Even with the radical liberals taking over? 

I see Biden as a transitional president, more of a place-holder, who won't change too much and who will be gone in 4 yrs. . 

bob>You hope he's a place holder, but he will do as he's told, same with Obama. 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

bob>They got impeachment through, was that an upfront truthful push through the house? 

Impeachment only requires the House to pass it. But the Senate Acquitted him. And it was a FOOLISH thing for the Dems to do in the first place. 

bob>It just shows there was no limit to the hate/harm they would put on Trump, rigging the election would not be outside their "morality?"

Passing laws requires BOTH houses of Congress. 

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

are you for Trump back again? LOL

You know the answer to that one, Bob. 

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