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From: DunggateMar-5 7:47 AM 
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Did The Beast Of Revelation & Whore Of Babylon Meet Over Jerusalem?
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Did The Beast Of Revelation & Whore Of Babylon Meet Over Jerusalem?
Paying the first Vatican visit by a Turkish head of state in 59 years, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan met with Pope Francis on February 5, 2018. These two prominent world leaders met to discuss several sensitive geo-political issues, which included at the top of their list, the current and future status of Jerusalem.  Mentioned by seventy different names over one-thousand times in the Bible, this holy city is central to Islam, Catholicism (Christianity) and Judaism. President Donald Trump’s decision on December 6, 2017, to acknowledge Jerusalem as Israel’s capital sent shock waves throughout both the Muslim and Catholic communities.Representing nearly three-billion followers between them, these two dominant world religions are apparently uniting together against President Trump’s controversial Jerusalem decision. Does this developing alliance between Turkey and the Vatican have potential biblical ramifications? According to New York Times bestselling author Joel Richardson, “It very well may.”  In his book entitled, Mideast Beast: The Scriptural Case for an Islamic Antichrist, Richardson presents the strong case for an Islamic Antichrist that arises out of Turkey. Recently, Richardson collaborated with Bill Salus, another noted prophecy expert, to produce a truly historic DVD that takes an in-depth prophetic look at the futures of Islam and Roman Catholicism. 
 
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From: DunggateMar-5 8:12 AM 
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Did The Beast Of Revelation & Whore Of Babylon Meet Over Jerusalem?
 
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Paying the first Vatican visit by a Turkish head of state in 59 years, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan met with Pope Francis on February 5, 2018. These two prominent world leaders met to discuss several sensitive geo-political issues, which included at the top of their list, the current and future status of Jerusalem. 
 
Mentioned by seventy different names over one-thousand times in the Bible, this holy city is central to Islam, Catholicism (Christianity) and Judaism. President Donald Trump's decision on December 6, 2017, to acknowledge Jerusalem as Israel's capital sent shock waves throughout both the Muslim and Catholic communities.
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Representing nearly three-billion followers between them, these two dominant world religions are apparently uniting together against President Trump's controversial Jerusalem decision. Does this developing alliance between Turkey and the Vatican have potential biblical ramifications? According to New York Times bestselling author Joel Richardson, "It very well may."
 
In his book entitled, Mideast Beast: The Scriptural Case for an Islamic Antichrist, Richardson presents the strong case for an Islamic Antichrist that arises out of Turkey. Recently, Richardson collaborated with Bill Salus, another noted prophecy expert, to produce a truly historic DVD that takes an in-depth prophetic look at the futures of Islam and Roman Catholicism. 
 
Bill Salus takes the position that the Catholic Church will fulfill the role of the coming global religion of the last days. Salus argues that Rome is the "great city" of Mystery Babylon mentioned in the book of Revelation. 
And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)
 
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From: DunggateMar-5 8:15 AM 
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According to both Richardson and Salus, the Bible clearly predicts the formation of an unholy alliance between the coming charismatic leader called the "Beast" and the future global religion referred to as,
"MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." (Revelation 17:5)
 
Both authors are concerned that the mystery of Babylon is about to become the religious reality thrust upon the world, and that the final status of Jerusalem may play a key role in this process.  
 
In addition to aligning itself with the Antichrist, the coming Harlot world religion will;
 
• Rule over many nations, (Rev. 17:15)
• Be headquartered in a great city,  (Rev. 17:18)
• Be a city located upon 7 hills, (Rev. 17:9)
• Pander to world political leaders, (Rev. 17:2)
• Become the religious Opiate of the masses, (Rev. 17:2)
• Martyr true believers in Christ, (Rev. 17:6)
• Eventually be hated by the "Ten Kings," (Rev. 17:16)
• Be desolated by those ten political leaders, (Rev. 17:16)
• Be replaced by the Antichrist's global system. (Rev. 17:17)
 
In their DVD entitled, "The Identity of Mystery Babylon: Mecca or Rome?" Richardson and Salus debate which city best meets the description of these prophetic details. Among the five primary candidate cities, which include Jerusalem, New York City and a rebuilt Babylon in Iraq, Joel and Bill narrow it down to the two most likely cities of Mecca or Rome. 
 
Salus disagrees with the Islamic Antichrist and Harlot theories presented by Richardson, which makes for a lively and educational three-hour discussion. 
 
 
According to Joel Richardson, Islam with its 1.8 billion followers is the most logical candidate to become the dominant world religion of the last days. However, Salus reasons that "Allah is about to lose his Akbar," which means his claims of being the greatest god. Salus points out that approximately 600 to 700 million Muslims could soon be killed, captured or exiled as the result of two major prophetic wars. 
 
Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 are unfulfilled biblical predictions that deal with epic Middle East battles. Psalm 83 includes an "inner circle" of Muslim countries that share common borders with Israel. In this new Mystery Babylon DVD, Salus explains how these countries are defeated by the Israeli Defense Forces. He claims that the IDF victory over the inner circle of Arab countries and related terrorist groups, "Is a punch to the gut of Islam."
 
 
 
Moreover, Salus believes that the "outer ring" of mostly Muslim countries listed in Ezekiel 38:1-6, will be decimated supernaturally through an earthquake, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone in Ezekiel 38:19-22. He suggests, "This will serve as an upper cut to the jaw of Islam." He concludes with, "As a result of these two wars, Islam will be knocked down to the canvas for the ten-count during the final seven-year Tribulational Period."
 
If these two wars happen sequentially in the manner described above, then how can Islam become the dominant world religion of the future. Salus asks the question, "In the aftermath of these two enormous blows to Islam, won't Muslims begin to doubt the power of their god and subsequently abandon their faith?"
 
Already, an unprecedented number of Muslims each year are abandoning Islam in favor of Christianity. Estimates are in the millions according to a November 17, 2017, article in the National Catholic Register called, "Muslims Are Converting to Christianity in Record Numbers." 
 
The article points out that the primary reasons for these conversions include how, "terrorizing people has ended up with people becoming more disgusted with Islam," and that, "a large number of Muslims are receiving visions of Jesus." 
 
Conversely, Joel Richardson has an entirely different end times scenario in mind. He believes that Ezekiel 38 does not find a final fulfillment prior to the Tribulational Period, rather he believes the prophecy happens in two distinct phases. 
 
The first phase is the massive invasion of Israel that occurs sometime during the first three and one-half years of the Tribulational Period. The second phase is when the invaders are supernaturally destroyed, but he believes this happens at the Second Coming of Christ, which occurs approximately three and one-half years later at the time of Armageddon.
 
Furthermore, he finds some serious flaws in the Salus teachings of Psalm 83 as expressed in their new DVD and in a prior WND article entitled, Which nations does Psalm 83 really include?
 
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From: DunggateMar-5 8:19 AM 
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In the end analysis, these two-top notch biblical researchers can't both be right about the true identity of Mystery Babylon because the apostle Peter points out;
 
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21).
 
Therefore, which of the two theories is correct? Or, are they both incorrect? 
 
In our continued attempt to be fair and balanced, PNW invites you to discover for yourselves, which of these two scholars presents the best and most thorough arguments on this intriguing topic.
 
Click HERE to purchase the new DVD entitled, "The Identity of Mystery Babylon, Mecca or Rome?" - On Sale Now!
 
 

 

 

 

 
From: DunggateMar-6 1:31 PM 
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PROPHECY WATCH: The Psalm 83 Alliance
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PROPHECY WATCH: The Psalm 83 Alliance
Psalm 83 foretells of a future 10-member alliance, comprised of the Arab territories that mostly share common borders with Israel, who will form an alliance and seek to wipe Israel “off of the map”. Verses 6-8 of Psalm 83 reveal the ancient identity of the nations in the alliance, which could also include notable terrorist organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS and more. “It includes the tents of Edom
and the Ishmaelites, Moab and the Hagrites, Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek, Philistia and the inhabitants of Tyre. Even Assyria has allied with them, lending its strength to the descendants of Lot. (Selah)” (Psalm 83:6-8)  These groups are no longer identifiable by their ancient names. The modern-day equivalents of these nations, that will form an alliance and will be plotting to destroy the nation of Israel, include: 

 

 

 

 
From: DunggateMar-6 1:32 PM 
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The Psalm 83 Alliance
Joel February 04, 2018  End Times
 "Come," they say, "let us destroy them as a nation, so that Israel's name is remembered no more." With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you." (Psalm 83:4-5)
Psalm 83 foretells of a future 10-member alliance, comprised of the Arab territories that mostly share common borders with Israel, who will form an alliance and seek to wipe Israel “off of the map”. Verses 6-8 of Psalm 83 reveal the ancient identity of the nations in the alliance, which could also include notable terrorist organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS and more.
 "It includes the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, Moab and the Hagrites, Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek, Philistia and the inhabitants of Tyre. Even Assyria has allied with them, lending its strength to the descendants of Lot. (Selah)" (Psalm 83:6-8) 
These groups are no longer identifiable by their ancient names. The modern-day equivalents of these nations, that will form an alliance and will be plotting to destroy the nation of Israel, include:
 
Tents of Edom = [decendants of Esau] Palestinian Refugees and Southern Jordanians
Ishmaelites = Saudi Arabians
Moab = Palestinian Refugees and Central Jordanians
Hagrites = Egyptians
Gebal = Northern Lebanese
Ammon = Palestinian Refugees and Northern Jordanians
Amalek = Arabs South of Israel
Philista = Palestinian Refugees and Hamas of Gaza Strip
Inhabitants of Tyre = Hezbollah and Southern Lebanese
Assyria = Syrians and perhaps Northern Iraqis included
Children of Lot = Moab and Ammon
 
Historians and Bible scholars recognize that these nations have never formed an alliance, and that is why this is a prophecy—yet to be fulfilled. Amazingly ALL the nationalities listed above, in the Psalm 83 alliance, are the EXACT neighboring enemies of Israel who are at present, warning Israel of their intentions to destroy her and of whose preparations to come against Israel are dominating the headlines. This alliance is forming today!
 
Some Bible prophecy experts are even wondering if there is a definite connection between the ancient territory of Assyria (Psalm 83:8), and the terrorist organization, ISIS. There are a few reasons for this:
The ancient territory of Assyria (at the time that the Psalm was authored) closely resembles the vast area of territory now in the possession of ISIS. 
Assyria appears to play a dominant role within the Psalm 83 confederacy.
The Psalm makes a definite connection between Assyria and Jordan, which is possibly the next country that ISIS will seek to invade.
Today, and with the advance of the Islamic State, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they're involved. 
 
A 3000 year old prophecy written in the book of Psalms appears to be alarmingly close to finding its final fulfillment! The exact timing of this war is not given. There are some who believe Psalm 83 war was completely fulfilled in the Six-Day War of 1967. However, logically, Psalm 83 in co-ordination with Isaiah 17 would seem to pave the way for the Gog/Magog War of Ezekiel 38-39. Nonetheless, the prophetic hourglass, that was turned on May 14, 1948, is certainly running out of sand in its top section!

 

 

 

 
From: DunggateMar-6 1:57 PM 
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Hi sparrow,

When you have time you may be interested to take a look at this thread.

Elaine

 

 
From: DunggateMar-6 1:58 PM 
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Hi Brenda,

See previous post to sparrow.

Elaine

 

 

 
From: sparrow153Mar-6 2:09 PM 
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For review

 

 
From: ButchkingMar-6 2:36 PM 
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"Historians and Bible scholars recognize that these nations have never formed an alliance, and that is why this is a prophecy—yet to be fulfilled"

That's only partly true, in my opinion. I think it all started at the inception of Israel becoming a nation again, and will continue right up to the day the antichrist moves his hq's to Israel.

I'm not a historian or a bible scholar, but everytime I read it, that's the way I see it.

 

 
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