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From: Lucy (lucymeg1) DelphiPlus Member Icon3/25/04 5:11 PM 
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 1697.1 

Hi all,

I was wondering if there are general procedures for nonNatives to get "adopted" into a tribe?  I think this would vary obviously with each tribe.

I guess this thread might also be about child adoptions of Native children by nonNatives or Natives adopting nonNative children?

Lucy

 
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From: Melissa (RunngDear) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host3/26/04 3:35 AM 
To: Lucy (lucymeg1) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (2 of 9) 
 1697.2 in reply to 1697.1 

You ask some good questions! 

Most Nations require a certain blood quantum.  However the adoption questions are good and I will have to do one of my thorough searches tomorrow. LOL  Well, later today...just looked at the time. LMAO!

I know there have been some issues about NA children being adopted out to non-native families. 

 

 
From: Cave Wolfie (IRISHWOLF73) DelphiPlus Member Icon3/26/04 4:31 PM 
To: Lucy (lucymeg1) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (3 of 9) 
 1697.3 in reply to 1697.1 

My ex-fiance's father (is that convoluted enough?) was Hopi, and was adopted out to a caucasian family.   I don't know what kind of issues they had to deal with, but I know my fiance was still welcomed on the Hopi reservation to stay with his grandfather whenever he chose to.

 

 

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From: Melissa (RunngDear) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host3/26/04 9:43 PM 
To: Cave Wolfie (IRISHWOLF73) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (4 of 9) 
 1697.4 in reply to 1697.3 

Hopi??  Hey that is out in my neck of the woods...well just upstate from me! LOL

It is good that he still has contact with his family there!  Have you ever been there?  Are you going to visit up there? 

I got tons more questions where those come from. LMAO!  :)

OOP!  My bad..just noticed the EX-fiance thing....nevermind! ROFLMAO!!!



Edited 3/26/2004 9:47 pm ET by Melissa (RunngDear)
 

 
From: Melissa (RunngDear) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host3/26/04 9:45 PM 
To: Lucy (lucymeg1) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (5 of 9) 
 1697.5 in reply to 1697.3 
PIERRE - State government is not complying with provisions of the
Indian Child Welfare Act, legislators were told Friday.

Generations of American Indian children have been torn from their
families and have lost their heritage, according to Sen. Michael
LaPointe, R-Mission.

Many others told the House State Affairs Committee that the South
Dakota Social Services Department and state courts largely ignore
ICWA requirements that are intended to place Indian children with
Indian families when those children are taken away from their parents.

Legislators were told that far too many Indian children are in state
foster care, usually in non-Indian families, and far too many Indian
children are adopted by non-Indian families.

LaPointe said the Bureau of Indian Affairs ran a misguided program
for decades that removed Indian children from their parents for
adoption by non-Indian families on the premise that the children
needed to be rescued from their culture.

Before the program was ended by 1978 enactment of ICWA, thousands of
Indian children were deprived of their native roots, he said. Many of
those people are still searching for their real families, LaPointe
said.

"These children were stripped of their heritage and other extended
family members that could have easily provided safety for their well-
being," he said.

Although ICWA was intended to keep Indian children with relatives, if
possible, or with members of their own tribe, state failure to
properly observe the act has continued the tragedy, LaPointe said.

"Many of these adopted children who had been placed outside their
immediate family homes have suffered terrible mental and emotional
toll," LaPointe said. "When these children become adults, they have
higher rates of suicide, higher incarceration rates, higher rates of
depression and alcohol and substance abuse."


Accurately gauging state shortcomings under the federal law cannot be
determined without a comprehensive study, he said.

SB211 would implement such a study, including an independent
evaluation of state compliance with ICWA, he said. The study group
would meet several times this year and provide a report to next
year's Legislature, LaPointe added.

Virgena Wieseler, state child protection services head, said her
agency wants to comply with the federal act. The legislation could
serve as a focal point for discussion on the subject with South
Dakota's Indian tribes, she said.

Deb Bowman, a member of Mike Rounds' senior staff, said that the
Rounds is trying to enhance relations with tribes and that he is
aware that the state needs to improve its compliance with ICWA.

The committee voted 8-3 to send the bill to the House floor, although
a parade of people told the panel to kill the measure.

Opponents said the study would be of little use, arguing
unsuccessfully for a bill that would simply direct the state to
comply with ICWA.

"This is an extremely passionate issue amongst our people," Terry
Cross, executive director of the National Indian Child Welfare
Association in Portland, Ore., said.

South Dakota must follow ICWA provisions, he said. Cross said the
state must notify tribes when it takes Indian children from their
families. Tribes must be allowed to intervene in those court
proceedings, and the opportunity must be given to allow placement of
those children with relatives or members of their extended families,
he said.

South Dakota has the nation's highest proportion of Indian children
in foster or adoptive care, Cross said.

Mary Ann Bear Heels McCowan of Pierre, a member of the Rosebud Sioux
Tribe, also opposed the study measure. She said South Dakota must
take steps now to ensure that Indian children who are removed from
their homes are placed with Indian families.

Far too many Indians have been sent to non-Indian families over the
years, she said.

"It is hard to find a family on our reservation who did not
experience this in their immediate or extended family," McCowan said.

Diane Garreau, Indian child welfare director for the Cheyenne River
Sioux Tribe, said nearly two-thirds of South Dakota children in
foster care are Indians. She said there is "a pattern of complacency
and indifference" in the state toward ICWA.

"There is no evidence of a single case where a hearing was held prior
to placing an Indian child into foster care," Garreau said.

Despite strong opposition from the Indian community, SB211 was moved
out of the committee in hopes that a study would identify problems
and lead to better state adherence of ICWA.

"Something is better than doing nothing," Rep. Matthew Michels, R-
Yankton, said. "Doing nothing ... is inadequate."

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/02/21/legislature


 

 
From: Cave Wolfie (IRISHWOLF73) DelphiPlus Member Icon3/27/04 12:47 PM 
To: Melissa (RunngDear) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (6 of 9) 
 1697.6 in reply to 1697.4 

LOL...it's OK, I still think very fondly of my ex-fiance.

I never managed to go out to the reservation with him, but I do have some lovely gifts from his grandparents.  His grandfather made me a bone and leather choker that I still wear and his grandmother sent me a kachina rattle that I have hanging on a hook on my wall (wish I could remember what the design meant).

 

 

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From: Melissa (RunngDear) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host3/27/04 10:23 PM 
To: Cave Wolfie (IRISHWOLF73) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (7 of 9) 
 1697.7 in reply to 1697.6 

That is good to have fond memories.  Most people end with very negative feelings.  I am glad to hear that you haven't.  Says a lot about your character. 

You will find out one day what the design means...when you are ready or meant to.

 

 
From: Cave Wolfie (IRISHWOLF73) DelphiPlus Member Icon3/28/04 12:27 AM 
To: Melissa (RunngDear) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (8 of 9) 
 1697.8 in reply to 1697.7 

Thanks!  I think it also says a lot about HIS character as well, since I've used him as the standard by which I measure anyone else I've dated.  Might explain why I never have gotten married as well. *grin*

If I remember correctly (and I could be wrong, since it's been a few years), the design has something to do with a love felt around the world.

 

 

Host of The Underground A place for cavers and outdoor enthusiasts.

Leave nothing but footprints, take nothing but pictures, kill nothing but time...cave softly.

 

 

 

 

 
From: Melissa (RunngDear) DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by host3/28/04 2:03 AM 
To: Cave Wolfie (IRISHWOLF73) DelphiPlus Member Icon  (9 of 9) 
 1697.9 in reply to 1697.8 

It is good that you have remained friends.  Makes moving on easier...sometimes.  In your case...maybe not. LOL  j/k

That sounds interesting.  Maybe some day you will be able to find out more information on it or go for a visit yourself. LOL

 

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