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Started Nov-19 by Cstar1; 254 views.   View Article
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From: Cstar1

Nov-19

The Trump administration is set to reverse Obama-era rules that prohibited the importation of elephant trophies - read body parts. Despite their listing as an endangered species. Inexcusable. Make some noise about this one!

  • Edited November 19, 2017 7:57 am  by  Cstar1
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From: Cstar1

Nov-19

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Right - it shows however that Americans do not CONDONE the slaughter of animals for trophies.

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From: Bike (URALTOURIST1)

Nov-20

I wonder how it would go if the nations in the area would actually enforce or even TRY to enforce their own rules?  Maybe a few captured poachers, publically punished with stripes on their backs, would discourage further poaching?  I know, public corporal punishment is so out of fashion it would be decried as cruel.   Effective, maybe, popular to the developed world, NO.

Why is it that the developed world has to take responsibility for the poor actions of the third world countries?  Are we their conscience?

Showtalk
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From: Showtalk

Nov-20

This is a horrible practice, but the department that approved it had reasons for doing it.  It was done by US Fish and Wildlife for reasons no one else seems to understand. I don’t. The country is very poor and has little industry to put people to work.  This was not initiated by the president and it looks like he will keep the existing laws in place.

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From: Showtalk

Nov-20

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From: Cstar1

Nov-20

Bike (URALTOURIST1) said:

I wonder how it would go if the nations in the area would actually enforce or even TRY to enforce their own rules?

Depends on the country and the reserve you're talking about, but they do try to enforce their own rules. Have you not seen the stories of rangers killed while trying to protect their areas from poachers?

Bike (URALTOURIST1) said:

Why is it that the developed world has to take responsibility for the poor actions of the third world countries?  Are we their conscience?

ln some cases, we have to be. When the people in your country are just trying to survive, the survival of species such as elephants, rhinoceros and lions has to fall to those that can afford to think about more than subsistence. 

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From: Cstar1

Nov-20

Showtalk said:

This is a horrible practice, but the department that approved it had reasons for doing it.

Sure they did. Lobbying by the NRA, ammunition manufacturers, and companies like Safari International. Possibly graft. Definitely not science. 

Showtalk said:

This was not initiated by the president and it looks like he will keep the existing laws in place.

Perhaps not personally, but as President, you get to take responsibility for everything done by members of your cabinet. Whether it was Zinke alone, or Zinke plus others, it doesn't matter - Trump is ultimately responsible. 

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From: Showtalk

Nov-20

It looks like he is taking responsibility by stopping it. Not everything is run past a president before it goes into effect.  He doesn’t have enough staffers to catch things like this, but he obviously also thinks it’s a mistake.

We criticize him when he is wrong, often.  We need to be happy when he does something good.  Keeping the ban in place is a good thing.  It would be even better if there was enough work for people there so they didn’t feel desperate enoughto kill elephants. 

  • Edited November 20, 2017 9:29 pm  by  Showtalk

Canada  does not even ban the trophies....

I personally don't care if there are more elephants and stock piles of ivory or not.

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