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Do angels have wings ? Or something we painted on them ?    General Discussion

Started Sep-16 by davidsheep88; 141 views.
davidsheep88

From: davidsheep88

Sep-16

The bible refers that malakim is the way how Judaism called angels, the word angel comes from the word “Angelos” greek meaning messenger truth be told they are powerful beings and the order how angels were portay by the catholic church are wrong. The catholic portays them as human and child-like they were never that figure. But in biblical times the bible says it prohibits the israelites from depicting things from heaven.
20:4 exodus
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.
This is case that angels could not be depicted and painted and most the images in the internet and the catholic paintings from the renassaince are wrong. Angels are being we cannot see with the naked eye, only the prophet Ezekiel says in A vision A sight of the Lord with his angels.
Ezekiel 10:1-22
That is closest what is described even though angels appear to him, How did this portrayal of angels in a good vs evil appears that angels will destroy each other
in the celestial war ?
Zoroastrianism
Is the influence that Catholic, Judaism, and Modern-Day Christian fall for it, It teaches that good and evil exist in the plane of angels heirarchy and angels all have wings and all are special beings. such as its monotheism, messianism, belief in judgement after death, conception of heaven and hell, and free will may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems. Even though Judaism predates it even before the exile of babylon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel worshipped other Gods and accepted influence from other religions. Zoroastrianism influence it all and this concept of angels and demons arouse.
What is the closest we know on how the angels really look like, how the lord is in his throne with them is
hebrews 12:29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”
It is reference of what power he is made of and the angels around him are made of fire like his because he is so powerful other ranks of angels under Seraphim, Cherubins, and Ophafins ( Thrones ) can be near him.
G-d is not men or women in appearance but fire he can come down here as man but in heaven his body is fire !!!
The angels are made of his fire and can withstand his enormous power
. The question do angels have wings ? some do and some don’t their is heirarchy that exist but for christians Seraphims are the high order the top but for hebrew (Judaism) chayot ha kadesh are the higher caste but here is an example.
Maimonides
he puts heirarchy like this
Rank Angelic Class Notes
1 Chayot Ha Kadesh [21] See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
2 Ophanim See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
3 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 Malakim Messengers, angels
7 ElohimGodly beings
8 Bene ElohimSons of Godly beings
9 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 Ishim “manlike beings”, see
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davidsheep88

From: davidsheep88

Sep-16

But because of the flood, the destruction of the temple of Solomon when babylon attacked, and other times history is destroyed in Israel by this calamities we do not know the way is organized and rabbi?s say that great information was lost in this incidents of history we do not know how the order is ?

Some scholars say Chayot Ha Kodesh are indeed Archangels so the order maybe switched.

So where does it says angels have wings ? one part says it.

When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !

1 kings6:27

27And he placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple. Since their wings were spread out, the wing of the first cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the second cherub touched the other wall, and in the middle of the room their wingtips touched.

It shows the ark was made with cherubs and their wings.

Where does it say they don?t have wings ?

The ophanims ( Thrones)

they do not have wings

Ezekiel 1:15-21

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
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No where in this part do they have wings.

There is error that people see angels like child-like babies that have wings and the Catholic church depicted them as cherubs such A way and the bible never said they look like that but powerful creatures with 4 wings of the Lord !!! People the eyes are fooled for what they see and people who saw angels cannot see the whole being for it is A being of fire.

A fire more greater than suns but what does the bible say about Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel aren?t they archangels shouldn?t they be Chayot Ha Kadesh the truth is Raphael and Uriel are not real they are not God?s angel another error of history they were created by the catholic church. They do not appear in the tanak or bible no aprt. The bible only talks of 2 angels and they are Mikael and Gavriel they are the angels G-d sends to talk to his prophets.

Raphael is not found in the old testamen just like the baby cherubs aren't, also Uriel they are not part of the old testament they do not appear only in the apocryphals books.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-16

davidsheep88 said:

. But in biblical times the bible says it prohibits the israelites from depicting things from heaven. 20:4 exodus You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.

The verse you cite seems to be a prohibition against idols. I the Old Testament this would be images of "anything in the heavens (birds) the earth below (animals) or beneath the waters (fish). Think golden calf (the earth below) or the Philistine god Dagon, a fish (waters beneath)

In the New Testament we are told to guard ourselves from idols.

1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

An idol is something occupying our heart other than Christ.

Angels are ministering spirits, sent to serve those who are to inherit salvation. The Catholics as well as the Protestants have mixed up angels with cherubim and seraphim and with the four living creatures in Ezekiel. They are not the same. As for as I know, angels are never described as having wings in the Holy Scriptures.

Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-16

davidsheep88 said:

Raphael is not found in the old testamen just like the baby cherubs aren't, also Uriel they are not part of the old testament they do not appear only in the apocryphals books.

This is a good point. We are here to earnestly contend for the faith, once delivered to the saints (God's holy people)

Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Faith come through hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Therefore whatever does not come out of the Scriptures as the source, we can dismiss. Paul said, even if an angel out of heaven should speak something other that what he spoke, let him be accursed. This is how I feel. We are being recovered back to the Word. 

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

davidsheep88

From: davidsheep88

Sep-16

This why people aprochypl books state Raphael and one part of it in the books neither Uriel is in the bible, non-canon people no why we must reread scripture and find the real things of the bible.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-16

davidsheep88 said:

we must reread scripture and find the real things of the bible.

I completely agree with you. This is my particular burden.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Sep-16

   The more familiar we are with the real, the less likely to accept a counterfeit.

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