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Based on Malachi 3:16-18 I believe the Lord will harken to us as we consider his word together.

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That which is born of the Spirit   T. Austin Sparks

Started Nov-12 by PAULFROMNYS; 311 views.
PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-12

   

The Absolute Heavenliness in the Life of the Believer

Now we want the full force of that to come home to us. If the Word of God divides things, then we must recognise the division that the Word of God makes. If the Word of God divides between spirit and soul and body, then we must recognise that division and see once more that what has been born anew is not our bodies (I suppose we know that quite well!) also it is not our souls, for soul and spirit are not the same in the Word of God; they are divided. And that which is born of the Spirit is spirit, and there you get the heart of the whole matter, of the nature of that which is born of the Spirit, of the new creation. But it is especially upon the heavenliness of this thing that I want to lay the emphasis for I am quite sure that it is here that most of the confusion exists and most of the failure to apprehend the secret of power and victory and effectiveness, lies.

I believe that the Old Testament and the New Testament are occupied, perhaps more fully, with the tragic results of misapprehension in this direction than with any other thing; and that is a terrible thing to say. The history of Israel in the Old Testament, which is far more history of failure than success, which bulks far more largely in the realm of disappointment, weakness, and breakdown than in the realm of triumph, victory and progress, has its explanation on this very one thing. We will see that in a moment.

When you come to the New Testament, the bulk of the New Testament is written with this one thing in view. You begin in Romans and go into Corinthians, and into Galatians, into Ephesians, Philippians and Colossians and right on to Peter, James and John and you will find that the one thing in view is either actual, or threatening, spiritual failure - either actually or threateningly, spiritual failure. In some instances the failure is there in a bad form and the letters are written to correct things, to seek to recover spiritual ascendancy and spiritual power which has been lost. In other cases the thing is threatening, it is hovering over, moving round, and the writers see the perils and they write to warn and admonish. And if you get to the heart of all this, both as to actual conditions of failure and from threatening conditions of failure, you will find that both in the Old and New Testaments one thing that explains it all is a misapprehension, or a failure to apprehend the fact of the absolute heavenliness of the believer's life. Now you can write that down and carry that into the Word of God and test everything by that and you will find it is true.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Dec-9

PAULFROMNYS said:

If the Word of God divides between spirit and soul and body, then we must recognise that division and see once more that what has been born anew is not our bodies (I suppose we know that quite well!) also it is not our souls, for soul and spirit are not the same in the Word of God; they are divided.

It is astounding to find how many believers, when shown the verses in the Bible regarding how God made man in His image and according to His likeness, with a spirit, a soul, and a body, will chose tradition over the Word of God. This is truly a great hinderance to our growth and maturity in life in God's full salvation.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Dec-9

   I believe our spirits are reconciled to GOD through the enthronement of Jesus as our LORD.  Our bodies and souls are deeply affected as the workmanship of GOD becomes ever increasingly the source of who we are(((our souls))).

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Dec-9

PAULFROMNYS said:

   I believe our spirits are reconciled to GOD through the enthronement of Jesus as our LORD. ?

This is true. Although we, the person, are reconciled to God through the death of His Son, this is strictly a judicial matter, having nothing to do with life. Because we have been reconciled to God, we can receive Him. This begins our salvation in life with the regeneration, the salvation of our spirit.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

As we continue to receive God's life, which is now a fountain of life in our spirit, our soul is transformed. This is the salvation of our soul.

John 4:14 But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall by no means thirst forever; but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into eternal life.

1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

When the Lord returns, our body will be glorified. That is the salvation of our body.

Philippians 3:21 Who will transfigure the body of our humiliation to be conformed to the body of His glory, according to His operation by which He is able even to subject all things to Himself.

Romans 5:10 is a turning point in the book of Romans. Prior to that is God's judicial redemption accomplished through Christ's death on the cross. The rest of the book is regarding God's salvation in life accomplished by His resurrection. The gospel in Romans is sinners becoming sons of God to constitute the Body of Christ which is expressed as local churches.

Romans 5:10 For if we, being enemies, were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more we will be saved in His life, having been reconciled,

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Dec-12

   Amen, it is 100% GOD, and that foundational belief in this through our death to self and acknowledgement of Jesus as LORD is wood, hay, stubble.   Any response truly established in us((Christ in us)) unto GOD and His Son allows for gold, silver, precious stones to be built on the foundation GOD has provided for whosoever will.   Not the hearers, but the doers!!!!  It is life to hear and believe GOD, it is glory to increasingly respond to GOD through that life = our LORD Jesus Christ.

JS5777

From: JS5777

Dec-12

Paulfromnys said: " Not the hearers, but the doers!!!!  It is life to hear and believe GOD"

In this is manifest the difference between the former/teaching/sowing rain and the latter/harvest rain.

It is NOT enough to be "hearers only" but "doers also".

But HOW we approach the "doing" makes all of the difference.

Because without Him, we can do NOTHING.

But with Him, ALL things are possible.

An obedience that is based ONLY in "our" ability to perform is NOT acceptable to Him, but if we have remained in His presence UNTIL the "doing" is NOT us, but Him IN us, both willing and doing His will, THEN it IS acceptable to Him.

Many are there that "hear" the truth of the Word of God, but few are there that become so conformed to Him that the "doing" IS HIM.

They are those that are wise enough to receive the extra vessel of oil, and that are matured in His presence, to be ready to enter in with the Bridegroom when He comes.

 

Shalom,

JS5777

  • Edited December 12, 2022 3:54 pm  by  JS5777
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Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Dec-13

JS5777 said:

Many are there that "hear" the truth of the Word of God, but few are there that become so conformed to Him that the "doing" IS HIM.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Philippians 1:21a For to me to live is Christ,

To put on Christ means to live Him out. For that, we must be full of the Spirit. We must eat Him to be full of Him and then live because of Him by eating the Word. That is the key.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

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PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Dec-20

   AMEN James, a seemingly small distinction which is in fact the The foundation and purpose of everything = it is all for and by our Lord Jesus Christ.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Dec-20

   I wonder where the measure of every part fits in?

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Dec-23

PAULFROMNYS said:

   I wonder where the measure of every part fits in

Hi Paul. You must be referring to Ephesians 4:16.

Out from whom all the Body, being joined together and being knit together through every joint of the rich supply and through the operation in the measure of each one part, causes the growth of the Body unto the building up of itself in love.

I love this verse. Verse 14 says we should no longer be little children, and verse 15 says we grow up into the Head, Christ, by holding to truth.

Children are individualistic and focused on themselves. To grow spiritually means we are becoming less and less individualistic and more and more corporately minded. "Each one part" means that we have become something more than the sum of our individual capacity, but part of something much bigger, "all the Body."

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