John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

You cannot bear witness of yourself;  another has to bear witness of you or else, it is false.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

When you bear witness of yourself in seeking your own glory, it is a false witness, but if you bear witness of another in seeking the glory of the other, then it is true.

How does the Holy Spirit bear witness?

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The Holy Spirit is the Perfect Witness, and so therefore He will not speak of Himself in seeking His own glory, but of the Son in seeking His glory.  The Spirit does this through us.

As we are led by the Spirit of God in worship, how can we testify of the Holy Spirit in seeking the glory of the Holy Spirit when He is not leading us to do that?

Why is it in these apostate movements of the "spirit" that when focus is on the Holy Spirit in worship & prayer, sometimes, that is the reasons why the spirits of the antichrist come in to cause confusion even though we know God is not the author of confusion?

Is it because we  are ignoring His words for why there are no invitations to come to God the Father by way of the Holy Spirit?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Christ4Us said:

For the church to avoid the spirits of the antichrist which is in the world, that is why the indwelling Holy Spirit will always point us to keep going to the Son, the Bridegroom, so we do not open ourselves up to visiting seducing spirits of the antichrist that would take our eyes off of the Son in worship, prayer, or fellowship.ship.

Well I certainly do not want to have anything to do with the spirit of antichrist.

The Triune God is a mystery. The Father is in the Son, and the Son became a life-giving Spirit. The three are one. 

John 8:29 And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him.

1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul”; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.

We abide in the Father and in the Son. We know this by the Spirit.

1 John 2:24 As for you, that which you heard from the beginning, let it abide in you. If that which you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

1 John 3:24 And he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And in this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He gave to us.

According to 2 Corinthians 3:17 says that the Lord is the Spirit. Notice that in John 3:24 the Son and the Father are referred to as "Him." This is a mystery. However, my personal faith is that God is triune, not to form doctrines to argue over, but so that we may receive Him,  know Him, love Him, and grow more and more to be like him. Praise the Lord!!!!!! Christ is all and Christ is in all!!!!

Keep your eyes on the Son by exercising your spirit of faith brother.

Dear Brother Fred,

As led by the indwelling Holy Spirit to do, He is helping me to keep my eyes on the Son, the Bridegroom, for He shall be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ.

it is the spirits of the antichrist ( instead of Christ ) that would try to take my eyes off of the Son to themselves, misleading believers to assume that is the Holy Spirit, to seek them and their visitations and their signs by their visitations which the indwelling Holy Spirit would never do..

Christ4Us said:

As led by the indwelling Holy Spirit to do, He is helping me to keep my eyes on the Son, the Bridegroom, for He shall be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ.

Excellent brother. The genuine New Testament ministry always causes us to love the Lord Jesus and betrothes us to Him, not the minister. For example, Paul the apostle. He rebuked those who said "I am of Paul" in First Corinthians and described his ministry as a betrothing ministry in Second Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 1:12-13 Now I mean this, that each of you says, I am of Paul, and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with a jealousy of God; for I betrothed you to one husband to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.

Therefore, any ministry which causes people to fall in love with the minister and not the Bridegroom is not the New Testament ministry. "Oh, how I love Jesus!!!!"

As the Holy Spirit in us ministers, so are we to keep our eyes on the Son, and not "fall in love with the Holy Spirit" nor with those that ministers, but with the Bridegroom as the minsyters and the Holy Spirit would lead us to do.

Thank you for sharing.

Christ4Us said:

As the Holy Spirit in us ministers, so are we to keep our eyes on the Son, and not "fall in love with the Holy Spirit"

I agree with you brother.

How do you understand 2 Corinthians 3:17?

2 Corinthians 3:17 And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Fred (fnorthrup) said:

How do you understand 2 Corinthians 3:17?

2 Corinthians 3:17 And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

I read it in context about the workmanship of the Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit in us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rR_Rdb1CTE

With Jesus Christ in us and the Lord is the Spirit, we are free as we rest in him to finish His work in us to His glory.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Thank you for replying and sharing your link.  Clicked on it but not willing to join yet.  Thanks for the offer though.

Not sure what had happened to the background today as everything seems to be blue and harder to read, but I can make it out.

Waiting to see what else the Lord has in store for me today.

Christ4Us said:

I read it in context about the workmanship of the Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit in us.

Very good. In the larger context of chapter 3 Paul presents a contrast between the ministry of the old covenant and the new. He refers to the ministry of the old covenant as "the ministry of death" (v.7), and the ministry of the new covenant "the ministry of the Spirit who gives life" (v.6) as "the ministry of the Spirit" (v.8) and "the ministry of righteousness" (v.9)

There is also a contrast between Moses (v.13) and Christ (v.14) 

Whenever we turn to the Lord (v.16) who is the Spirit with our spirit (v.17; Romans 8:16) we experience Him as the one operating in us to transform us into the same image, from glory to glory, even as from the Lord Spirit. Wonderful!

The point I wanted to make is that according to much traditional doctrine, the Lord Jesus and the Spirit are two "separate Persons." But in the New Testament, the Lord is the Spirit and the Spirit is called "the Spirit of Jesus Christ" and "the Spirit of God's Son". 

Philippians 1:19 For I know that for me this will turn out to salvation through your petition and the bountiful supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father!

It seems that in the Scriptures, the Lord and the Spirit are one, yet there is a distinction. 

What so you think?