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Based on Malachi 3:16-18 I believe the Lord will harken to us as we consider his word together.

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The inner man of the heart #1   T. Austin Sparks

Started Nov-26 by PAULFROMNYS; 382 views.
Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-29

PAULFROMNYS said:

So how do you see the teaching of TAS in regard to these things. 

His teaching is very good. I believe he has the same source as Watchman Nee. Watchman Nee cites as his source on this topic as Jessie Penn- Lewis, who T.A. Sparks worked under in his early years. You can buy her books on Amazon. 

T.A. Sparks separated with Lewis over a doctrinal dispute and began his own ministry more or less in competition with her. This was his beginning, according to history.

The matter of the tripartite man is a basic element of the teaching I have been under for 30 years or so. We have gospel tracts that state that man is a vessel, with a spirit to receive God. 

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-29

   Do you know specifically what the disagreement with JPL was?

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-29

I am not sure. Something to do with the Lord's Table I understand. For a person who reads slow, you post a lot of stuff to read.relaxed

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-29

PAULFROMNYS said:

I'd offer the opinion that animals do have spirits as open channels to GOD,

So this is a good opportunity to state that everything we believe comes from the word of God, the Holy Scriptures. I do not know of any verse that says that animals have a spirit. 

The confusion lies with certain verses which contain the Hebrew word ruah which like it's Greek counterpart, pneuma, can be translated wind, breath, or spirit, depending on the context. It is a translational issue.

I use the Recovery version which translates,

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knows the breath (ruah) of the children of men, that it goes upward; or the breath (ruah) of the beasts, that it goes downward to the earth?

Here is the King James Version:

Who knoweth the spirit (ruah) of -- man that goeth upward, and the spirit (ruah) of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

In Ezekiel 37 ruah is translated breath, wind, and spirit on one chapter. The context determines the translation.

Ezekiel 37:5 Thus says the Lord Jehovah to these bones: I will cause breath (ruah) to enter into you, and you shall live.

9 Then He said to me, Prophesy to the wind (ruah) ; prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind (ruah), Thus says the Lord Jehovah, Come from the four winds, O breath (ruah), and breathe on these slain, that they may live.

14 And I will put My Spirit (ruah) in you, and you shall live; and I will place you in your own land. Then you will know that I, Jehovah, have spoken and that I have performed it, declares Jehovah.

So what I believe, according to the Scriptures is that when God made man, He said "very good" because man alone has a spirit to contact Him and be one with Him as His bride. Animals definitely have a soul, with it's thoughts, feelings , and will. No one who has or has worked with animals would argue with that. If someone believes that the KJV is "divinely inspired", as some do, I guess that ends the discussion.

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of Jehovah concerning Israel. Thus declares Jehovah, who stretches forth the heavens and lays the foundations of the earth and forms the spirit of man within him,

This verse ranks man's spirit with creating the heavens and the earth. We have a kind of saying based on this verse: "The heavens are for the earth, the earth is for man, and man is for God because God formed a spirit in him."

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-30

  How long would a book take if you read that much daily?  Plus, I am super picky, as soon as I see something I do not like it becomes next to impossible to continue.  A precious sister who I worked with for years and was recently saved brought me a big hardcover book(((brand new and I'm sure expensive))).  She just loved it, it was very spiritual dealing with deliverance and stuff; I simply could not read it.  I can't do theological, academic, or apologist stuff at all, just can't(((or won't))) do them.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-30

   "The heavens are for the earth, the earth is for man, and man is for God because God formed a spirit in him."

   His Spirit in Him would be the separation between man and beast IMO.  The beast in revelation is made up of unregenerate unto reprobate men IMO.  There is nothing but inanimate dust until GOD breaths upon it.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-30

PAULFROMNYS said:

How long would a book take if you read that much daily? 

There is a verse which says "Blessed is he who reads...."

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy and keep the things written in it, for the time is near.

I personally know a brother who lives close to me who was raised a practicing Jew, was Bar-Mitzvahed, but in college was gloriously saved simply by reading the spine on the Bible. He testifies that when he saw the words "Holy Bible" the light shone inwardly and he realized that the Old and New Testament are the word of God and received the Lord into his spirit. Thus is the power of reading. Blessed is he who reads. Of course we have to have some discernment to know what is of God. Therein is the problem. People tend to strain out a gnat but swallow a camel when it comes to the ministry of the word.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-30

   OK brother, I found: The Spiritual man by Watchman, and will add it to my daily readings/devotions.  Of course the heart and discernment of all readings is the scripture as broken open to us by our GOD.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-30

PAULFROMNYS said:

as soon as I see something I do not like

By "do not like" what do you mean? Don't agree with? not in the Bible? Have a different opinion? We should all learn to examine the Scriptures like the Bereans to see of the matter in the Bible. Then, what emphasis does the Bible place on the matter. After this come word studies and translation issues. In this way, we are neither too subjective (going by our feelings) nor too objective (sticking with our opinions and church dogma). At least this is my opinion.

Acts 17:10-11 And the brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away during the night to Berea, who, when they arrived, went off into the synagogue of the Jews. Now these people were more noble than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-30

PAULFROMNYS said:

There is nothing but inanimate dust until GOD breaths upon it.

So where in the Bible did God form the spirit in man? This is a good question. I wish that this forum had some readers that would ask this kind of question.

This gets at the heart of why God made man, what was the nature of the fall, and what is the way of God's recovery of man by life. 

What I believe: When God breathed into Adam the breath of life two things happened. Firstly, man became a living soul, a living being, a person with a mind, will, and emotion. Secondly, according to Zechariah 12:1, a spirit was formed in man. Man's spirit is not God, but is close to God. This is why animals do not have the impulse to worship God. But man, no matter how primitive, has always had the inward impulse to believe and worship God.

Genesis 2:7 Jehovah God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Proverbs 20:27 The spirit of man is the lamp of Jehovah, Searching all the innermost parts of the inner being.

Breath in Genesis 2:7 is in Hebrew neshamah. In Proverbs 20:27 this word is translated spirit indicating that the breath of life breathed into man's body became the spirit of man, the human spirit (Job 32:8) Man's spirit is inward organ for him to contact God, receive God, and assimilate God into his entire being as his life and everything. The spirit of man is for man to worship God (John 4:24) to be regenerated by God (John 3:6) and to be joined to God (1 Corinthians 6:17)

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