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The inner man of the heart #1   T. Austin Sparks

Started Nov-26 by PAULFROMNYS; 385 views.
Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-29

TA Sparkssaid:

That which makes man unique in the whole realm of creation is not that he is or has a soul, but that he has a spirit, and it may be that uniting in one personality of soul and spirit makes him unique beyond this creation, in the whole universe.

This is true. Animals have a soul, but they do not have a spirit. Angels are spirits, but they do not have a spirit, an organ to receive and have fellowship with God. They are sent to serve those who are to inherit salvation. 

Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth for service for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?

I recently read a critique online of Watchman Nee, who wrote a book titled "The Spiritual Man." The critique was, " Watchman Nee's erroneous and dangerous teaching, based on only two verses in the Bible, 1 Thessalonians 5:23 and Hebrews 4:12...."

My reaction was firstly, how many verses does something need to be stated in the Bible before it is not erroneous and dangerous? Is there a minimum amount?

Secondly, I could cite from memory many, many verses in both the Old Testament and New Testament which make it beyond clear that God formed a spirit in man (Zechariah 12:1) that the spirit of man is the lamp of Jehovah, searching the innermost parts of the inner being (Proverbs 20:27) and that we are born of God, worship God, and serve God in and with our spirit. (John 3:6; 4:24; Romans 1:9)

Once again, philosophy, opinion, tradition, and denominational dogma make the word of God of no effect. God's salvation involves our tripartite being. We are regenerated in our spirit (John 3:6) , are being transformed in our soul (2 Corinthians 3:18) , and will be transfigured, glorified in our mortal body (Romans 8:30)

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all with unveiled face, beholding and reflecting like a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord Spirit.

Philippians 3:21 Who will transfigure the body of our humiliation to be conformed to the body of His glory, according to His operation by which He is able even to subject all things to Himself.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-29

  So how do you see the teaching of TAS in regard to these things.  I agree with what you sharing as I can currently understand it.  I'd offer the opinion that animals do have spirits as open channels to GOD, but GOD deals with them and unregenerate men as creations in His Spirit.  Men are corrupted in this reality as GOD did not create nor relate to them as beasts, but rather children unto sons.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-29

PAULFROMNYS said:

So how do you see the teaching of TAS in regard to these things. 

His teaching is very good. I believe he has the same source as Watchman Nee. Watchman Nee cites as his source on this topic as Jessie Penn- Lewis, who T.A. Sparks worked under in his early years. You can buy her books on Amazon. 

T.A. Sparks separated with Lewis over a doctrinal dispute and began his own ministry more or less in competition with her. This was his beginning, according to history.

The matter of the tripartite man is a basic element of the teaching I have been under for 30 years or so. We have gospel tracts that state that man is a vessel, with a spirit to receive God. 

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-29

   Do you know specifically what the disagreement with JPL was?

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-29

I am not sure. Something to do with the Lord's Table I understand. For a person who reads slow, you post a lot of stuff to read.relaxed

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-29

PAULFROMNYS said:

I'd offer the opinion that animals do have spirits as open channels to GOD,

So this is a good opportunity to state that everything we believe comes from the word of God, the Holy Scriptures. I do not know of any verse that says that animals have a spirit. 

The confusion lies with certain verses which contain the Hebrew word ruah which like it's Greek counterpart, pneuma, can be translated wind, breath, or spirit, depending on the context. It is a translational issue.

I use the Recovery version which translates,

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knows the breath (ruah) of the children of men, that it goes upward; or the breath (ruah) of the beasts, that it goes downward to the earth?

Here is the King James Version:

Who knoweth the spirit (ruah) of -- man that goeth upward, and the spirit (ruah) of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

In Ezekiel 37 ruah is translated breath, wind, and spirit on one chapter. The context determines the translation.

Ezekiel 37:5 Thus says the Lord Jehovah to these bones: I will cause breath (ruah) to enter into you, and you shall live.

9 Then He said to me, Prophesy to the wind (ruah) ; prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind (ruah), Thus says the Lord Jehovah, Come from the four winds, O breath (ruah), and breathe on these slain, that they may live.

14 And I will put My Spirit (ruah) in you, and you shall live; and I will place you in your own land. Then you will know that I, Jehovah, have spoken and that I have performed it, declares Jehovah.

So what I believe, according to the Scriptures is that when God made man, He said "very good" because man alone has a spirit to contact Him and be one with Him as His bride. Animals definitely have a soul, with it's thoughts, feelings , and will. No one who has or has worked with animals would argue with that. If someone believes that the KJV is "divinely inspired", as some do, I guess that ends the discussion.

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of Jehovah concerning Israel. Thus declares Jehovah, who stretches forth the heavens and lays the foundations of the earth and forms the spirit of man within him,

This verse ranks man's spirit with creating the heavens and the earth. We have a kind of saying based on this verse: "The heavens are for the earth, the earth is for man, and man is for God because God formed a spirit in him."

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-30

  How long would a book take if you read that much daily?  Plus, I am super picky, as soon as I see something I do not like it becomes next to impossible to continue.  A precious sister who I worked with for years and was recently saved brought me a big hardcover book(((brand new and I'm sure expensive))).  She just loved it, it was very spiritual dealing with deliverance and stuff; I simply could not read it.  I can't do theological, academic, or apologist stuff at all, just can't(((or won't))) do them.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-30

   "The heavens are for the earth, the earth is for man, and man is for God because God formed a spirit in him."

   His Spirit in Him would be the separation between man and beast IMO.  The beast in revelation is made up of unregenerate unto reprobate men IMO.  There is nothing but inanimate dust until GOD breaths upon it.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-30

PAULFROMNYS said:

How long would a book take if you read that much daily? 

There is a verse which says "Blessed is he who reads...."

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy and keep the things written in it, for the time is near.

I personally know a brother who lives close to me who was raised a practicing Jew, was Bar-Mitzvahed, but in college was gloriously saved simply by reading the spine on the Bible. He testifies that when he saw the words "Holy Bible" the light shone inwardly and he realized that the Old and New Testament are the word of God and received the Lord into his spirit. Thus is the power of reading. Blessed is he who reads. Of course we have to have some discernment to know what is of God. Therein is the problem. People tend to strain out a gnat but swallow a camel when it comes to the ministry of the word.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-30

   OK brother, I found: The Spiritual man by Watchman, and will add it to my daily readings/devotions.  Of course the heart and discernment of all readings is the scripture as broken open to us by our GOD.

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