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The inner man of the heart #3   T. Austin Sparks

Started Nov-28 by PAULFROMNYS; 238 views.
PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-30

   Amen, I had a long drawn out with a brother as to what GOD told Adam was, in the full sense true, as he did not die(((in the day))) upon eating of the forbidden tree.  I tried to show him that he did, but it was one of those impossible discussions.  I'm going to start a new thread behind talking about Adam and address it to you, as there is no one else around here  :(    ??  

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-30

I am more than happy to fellowship with you brother, and you never know who might stumble by. People are full of all kinds of opinions as to what happened in the garden. God said that in the day that Adam ate the tree of knowledge he would surely die. The only question we should have is, "in what manner did he die." Ephesians 2 says that we were dead in trespasses and sins. We should never say, "Well I guess that is a lie, here I am quite alive." 

Even medically one can be "brain dead" but the body still lives. I think the brain means the soul. So medically there is death of the soul, as well as death of the body. The Scriptures add another component, the spirit. I think it is as simple as death is absence of life. Adam was a living soul, but did not have the divine life in his spirit. When he took in knowledge, the source of which is the Serpent, he was cut off from life, dead, in his spirit until Christ could come. That is my current understanding, to borrow a phrase from you.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-30

   Yes, he was deceived into living as the lord of the life given him by GOD.  That brought us to Is 53:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Nov-30

PAULFROMNYS said:

   Yes, he was deceived into living as the lord of the life given him by GOD. 

I think you know this but there are three distinct Greek words which are all translated "life" in English. Zoe, which is always used to denote the life of God, psuche, denoting the natural human life of the soul, and bios, meaning our living, our manner of life. Here is a verse with each of these words.

John 1:4 In Him was life (zoe)

Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life (psuche) shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life (psuche) for my sake shall find it.

John 10:10-11 The thief does not come except to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life (zoe) and may have it abundantly. I am the good Shepherd; the good Shepherd lays down His life (psuche) for the sheep.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (bios), is not of the Father, but is of the world.

This is very helpful when discussing life and also relevant to the three parts of man. Romans 8 says that our spirit is zoe, the mind set on the spirit is zoe, and God even gives zoe to our mortal body. 

Romans 8:10 But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 8:6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the spirit is life and peace.

Romans 8:11 And if the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you.

Zoe is the eternal life, the divine life, the life that comes from God and is God Himself.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Nov-30

   Finally, when the dust settles, only Zoe is life.  Every other reality will necessarily perish.  Jesus did what He did for us that we'd find our names in the book of life.  everything else went into the lake of fire = second death.

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