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Based on Malachi 3:16-18 I believe the Lord will harken to us as we consider his word together.

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Romans 7   New Testament

Started Sep-24 by PAULFROMNYS; 459 views.
JS5777

From: JS5777

Sep-26

I have presented before, and will present yet again.

There was a pattern that was established by God in His Word that the life of the flesh is the blood, and that the life is in the blood of all manner of life, even animals.

THAT life which was in the blood of the clean animals was without the knowledge of sin, it was innocent of sin.

But animals were NOT created in the image and likeness of God, ONLY man was created in the image and likeness of God.

Therefore, there is a basic incompatibility between the life that is in animals and the life that is in man.

It is for this reason that the life that was in the Old Testament sacrificial animals COULD NOT come upon the human beings and impart to man the same innocence of sin that was in the animal.

It is for this reason that THOSE sacrifices COULD NOT do a complete work to purge sinfulness from man, it ONLY could cover the sins and push them forward until a perfect sacrifice could come, which was BOTH entirely without sin and which had a Life in it that was compatible with man.

The Lord Jesus Christ is/was THAT sacrifice.

When His blood was shed upon the cross, the Life that was in the blood also came forth.

THAT Life is what came upon and into the 120 on the day of Pentecost, and it DID impart His own innocence of sin to every one of those that received it, and STILL does.

THIS is how the second Adam was made a Life-giving Spirit, what we call the Holy Spirit.

THAT immaculate Life can and does change and transform our life from the fallen condition, and conformes it to Himself anew.

There IS a difference between our willingness and our assistance.

We must be willing to allow Him to have absolute Lordship over our lives to conform us to Himself, BUT, other than our willingness, He DOES NOT need ANY assistance from us to do the work, because ALL such assistance would still come from the fallen form and NOT from the finished form that is entirely conformed to Him.

It is for THIS reason that God DOES NOT "help us" in the sense of our contributing in the details of His work in us, He "helps us" by entirely doing for us that which is impossible for us to do for ourselves, or to even contribute, from the fallen condition, any detail toward being completely conformed to Him. Again, He ONLY needs our willingness to allow Him to do the COMPLETE work of conforming us to Himself.

The Lord IS THAT Spirit that gives everlasting Life, THE Tree of Life.

 

Shalom,

JS5777

  • Edited September 26, 2022 5:17 pm  by  JS5777
Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-26

JS5777 said:

I have presented before, and will present yet again.

Sorry to be so tedious. I honestly believe that the truth bears repeating again and again until we all arrive at the oneness of the faith. That will be a glorious day. 

Ephesians 4:13 Until we all arrive at the oneness of the faith and of the full knowledge of the Son of God, at a full-grown man, at the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, (Recovery Version)

"THAT life which was in the blood"

"THE Tree of Life."

The problem with the English word "life" is that it is generic, and readers of the Bible assign whatever meaning they wish to it. In Greek, distinct words are used. When denoting the life that is from God, and is God, the eternal uncreated life, the word zoe is used. When denoting the natural life, whether animal or human, the word psuche, or soul is used.

Jesus gave up His psuche, his natural life for the sheep that they might have abundant zoe, the divine uncreated life, the life of God.

Our whole discussion comes down to this, will we exercise the psuche, the natural life, the natural man, the center of which is the mind to keep the law, which activates the flesh with the law of sin and death, or will we exercise the spirit, where the Spirit of Jesus is and activate the law of the Spirit of zoe. 

The mind set on the spirit is zoe.

Romans 8:6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the spirit is life and peace.

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call -- heaven and -- earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

I chose life.

JS5777

From: JS5777

Sep-27

You may have noticed that I use a distinction between "life" as of animals and man, and when I refer to "Life" as in the Life of God and eternal Life that can come into man.

I try to be faithful to make certain of the difference.

You may want to make a quick pass through some of my previous postings to pay attention to this very detail.

 

Shalom,

JS5777

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Sep-27

   Fred:   Sorry to be so tedious. I honestly believe that the truth bears repeating again and again until we all arrive at the oneness of the faith. That will be a glorious day. 

   Paul:   Faithfulness is such a huge thing IMO. We, being vessels of extreme unending mercy have a deep and abiding unction to bear with one another.  When the eternal kingdom is entered, it will be glorious indeed, even above all we can imagine, and I've exercised imagining alot  :)    Our bearing with one another has a foundational need = a genuine desire at both ends.   GOD receives us in that reality, it is the cornerstone of any relationship.  How deep the relationship goes is another question for sure. 

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-27

PAULFROMNYS said:

  Our bearing with one another has a foundational need = a genuine desire at both ends.   GOD receives us in that reality, it is the cornerstone of any relationship.  How deep the relationship goes is another question for sure. 

Amen Paul. 

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-27

JS5777 said:

You may have noticed that I use a distinction between "life" as of animals and man, and when I refer to "Life" as in the Life of God and eternal Life that can come into man.

I'm not sure that the Scriptures make a distinction between the soul-life of man and animals (psuche). Both are of the natural, created life. What distinguishes men from animals is that man has a spirit as a unique organ to contact and receive God, who is the Eternal Life (zoe), animals do not.

Proverbs 20:27 The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Sep-27

   I believe the soul is in the image, but the spirit is reality bringing the soul to the fullness intended, and sustaining same.  In Christ, in the true reality immerses our souls 100% in the Spirit of GOD.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-27

PAULFROMNYS said:

   I believe the soul is in the image, but the spirit is reality bringing the soul to the fullness intended, and sustaining same.  In Christ, in the true reality immerses our souls 100% in the Spirit of GOD.

I believe this also.

Eventually we will all be transformed into the same image, from glory to glory, even by the Spirit of the Lord. Death will be swallowed up by life.

Fred (fnorthrup)

From: Fred (fnorthrup)

Sep-29

PAULFROMNYS said:

 Amen, it's like saying this opposing power is greater!!!   Who are we?  =  who GOD says we are, not one iota more or less.

We are saved by grace through faith, and faith comes through hearing the word of God. The more we are able to get into the word, the more faith comes.

If we were to sit down with Jesus as our Counselor and analyze what it is we believe, we may be surprised. The structure of our belief system may include myths, stories not in the Bible, some superstition, traditions, and some Bible. This is what Judaism became.

Colossians 2:6-8  As therefore you have received the Christ, Jesus the Lord, walk in Him, Having been rooted and being built up in Him, and being established in the faith even as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving. Beware that no one carries you off as spoil through his philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ;

PAULFROMNYS

From: PAULFROMNYS

Sep-30

   Yes, we must also be aware that the absolute scholarly approach by men is very often thwarted as GOD reveals His Word.  GOD it seems is above any effort originating  in man to walk with Him.

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