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From:  Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 1:03 pm 
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 1930.1 

The Title get your attention?  Yes, my brand spankin' new GL1800 broke down on Friday (5/30) at 8pm in Danvers.  11 Hours before Heidi and I were supposed to take it to Americade and an hour from home.

What follows is the amazing story what happened, and what happened next... 

Riding on Rte 128S in Danvers what looks like smoke starts to pour out of the engine vents.  I look behind me and I am trailing a huge plume of steam.  At 60 mph this is a bit nerve-wracking so I take the next exit and pull into a small shopping mall, watching the temp gauge inch higher & higher.  Heidi was ahead of me in the car so while I wait for the engine to cool so I can make it to the mall, I call her and she turns around.  Eventually she is parked behind me and we call HRCA.

Takes about 15 minutes to report the incident and another 20 until we get the notification an assistance vehicle is on the way.  It'll be there within 1 hour.  Now the amazing stuff begins...

My cell phone rings one minute after I get the notification call.  It's the HRCA dispatched guy calling to tell me he sees where I am on a map and should be there in 20 minutes.  I say great and ask him if he has a flat bed truck.  He replies: "wait 'till you see what I got.  Once I get there I bet you'll want to ask for me every time to call Honda Riders."  I warn him he's picking up a GL1800 and he says "not to worry, he exclusively carries only motorcycles and has everything he needs."  He seems like a nice guy, so I wait.

Thom Calantropo of Iron Horse Transportation pulls up in a V-8 full size pick-up truck towing a fully enclosed motorcycle trailer!  He's very friendly, efficient, and when he drops the back of the trailer for the ramp he has three wheel chocks, dozens of web tie-downs and just as many soft hooks.  In no time at all my GL is tied safe and sound.  The inside of the trailer is immaculate, with a place for everything and everything in its place.  I already requested the bike be brought to Greater Boston Motorsports in Arlington, MA (where I bought it 7 days ago) and he know exactly where it is and they do not have drop-off facilities.  He says he'll keep the bike over night and get to GBM by 9:30 in the morning.  I say I'll be there at 8:30 and make sure they're expecting him. 

I was so impressed with Thom that I took about 50 of his business cards and I will definitely ask for him by name if I ever need anything from HRCA.  This is the 3rd time I've had a bike 'towed' and I never knew what I was missing!  FYI - He does business with Harley Riders and BMW Riders Roadside assistance as well and members of these clubs can ask for him too.  He is absolutely the best!

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Edited 6/1/2003 1:05:20 PM ET by Wes (WES_VTX)
 
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From:  Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 1:06 pm 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (2 of 37) 
 1930.2 in reply to 1930.1 

Part Two of the Saga.... Saturday:

Back to the saga... I ride my VTX to GBM at 8:30 and tell the Service clerk my story.  I'm supposed to be on my way to Lake George by now, and am unhappy.  5 minutes later Ollie, a Service Mgr, points to a lift in the left bay and says as soon as my GL shows up it'll go on that lift and be looked at right away.  My sales guy (Ken) checks with me to make sure everything is OK and I hang around, obviously in the way but no says anything.  I fact everyone is friendly and several guys (GBM & customers) spend time looking at the VTX.  I'm trying to be cranky & mad but everyone seems to have my best interests in mind. 

9:15 Thom calls my cell and says he's on his way and will be there in 15 minutes.  As an aside Gary is now there getting an inspection sticker and like a true NERd, hangs around with me, keeping me company, until the bike is there and everything looks under control.  Thanks Gary!!!

9:30, Thom arrives, parks around the corner, and opens the trailer.  The GL has leaked more coolant on the deck and Thom explains he needs to wipe it up before we can move the bike.  "You don't want to get that stuff on the tires."  Nice!

He wheels it down the ramp and I grab the handlebars and start pushing it up to the service bay.  I know Gary & Thom both offered to help but to be honest I have no idea who did; I just wanted to get the thing to Ollie's lift!  If it didn't roll I'd've carried it!!

The bike is outside the bay for a couple of minutes while Thom gets some information from me.  When he is done, Rob, the Sales Manager of GBM, comes out to look at the bike.  He assures me he's going to get it inside right away.  He cautions me that he cannot guarantee that he can get it fixed today and already knows I'm supposed to be going to Americade.  I tell him that's the wrong answer and I need that bike today!  If it's a parts issue, tear down a show room model and fix it! 

Rob takes this in stride and says he does not have a GL1800 to tear down but is already calling partner shops to find one.  If he can get his hands on a GL today, he'll do it "No Problem."  He also says if he cannot fix my bike, he'll make a 2002 BMW K1200LT demo unit he has available to me to bring to Americade for the week, at no cost to me.  This is an amazing offer, and crushing to me because Heidi is not comfortable on long rides on the K1200, which is why I got the GL.  Rob says he understands and he'll do everything he can.  He goes back inside and I turn around and my GL is in on the lift.

Another 30 or so minutes passes, maybe more, and Rob waves me over and asks me to follow him into the General Manager's Office.  He breaks the bad news first "The GL is not going with you to Americade."  My brain slips a cog and I start to go into immediate overdrive.  Rob continues, "But I have a solution I think you'll like."  I decide to calm down while he explains.  "We have a 2002 GL1800 Demo at Parkway Cycles for you to take to Americade.  I'll go get it myself, have my Service Guys go over it for safety, and you can have it in a couple of hours.  I’m sorry that it is yellow, but at least you and your wife can get to New York" I’m totally stunned at this level of service.  It's one thing to demand that a company who's just taken $20k out of your pocket should step up to the plate at a time like this, it's quite another when they offer to do so by handing you a second $20k motorcycle as a loaner to take to New York for a week!  He then introduces Bob, the General Manager of GBM, and says Bob has already started to find a new, crated GL1800 that he was going to have prepped and made available to me if there was no demo available! 

This level of service is just beyond belief!  I am now beyond stunned with the level of commitment and effort these guys are going through so I can go on vacation despite a Honda factory defect that they had no control over!

Rob then says two more things:  He knows what the problem is and will have his lead technician explain it to me in detail, and then he asks me to take my VTX for a ride and come back in an hour or so and everything will be ready.  “I have to tell you Mr. Adams, this is going to be a lot easier for us to do without you standing around staring at us.”  I have to admit I was not helping matters standing around just waiting for something to screw up.

So we go to the lift, where customers are not supposed to go, and the tech shows me a black rubber collar about 3” in diameter and 4 “ long, with one end torn to smithereens.  He says this goes over the driveshaft where it connects to the transmission.  Evidently mine got wrapped around the shaft, pulled free of the tranny, and flailed around inside the bike.  During which time it grabbed the engine coolant line, tearing it in half, and what some other 1” rubber hose which he said was very important.  Even if he had the new parts, he has to take the back of the bike completely apart to get it over the drive shaft.”

Giving up on the bike, and accepting that I’m going to be taking a “School Bus” to Americade, I hop on my VTX and go home.

Continued on Third Post... Told you it's a long story....



Edited 6/1/2003 1:07:42 PM ET by Wes (WES_VTX)
 
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From:  Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 1:08 pm 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (3 of 37) 
 1930.3 in reply to 1930.2 

A little bit at home and Heidi gives me a ride back to GBM.  I do not see a yellow GL1800 and I do not see Rob.  Despite the excellent service I have gotten so far, I’m (to my shame) immediate suspicious.  I see Rob walking into door for the Service Desk area from outside and catch up with him.  I ask how the School Bus pick-up went.  He signs in aggravation, “what a fiasco that was!” Before I can react he goes on, “it was a trade not a demo.  It didn’t start right away, it was not prepped and the owner had put neon blue lighting tubes all over it.  It was the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen.  People would have thrown rocks at you at Americade!”  He points to his right/ my left.  “So they had this on their sales floor so I rode that back.  Gimme 20 minutes to have it checked and process some paperwork and you’re good to go.”  The bike to his right/ my left was a brand new 2003 GL1800 – Pearl Orange.  When I got on the bike, it had 9 miles on it, which includes the ride from Parkway to GBM.  He just gave me a brand new GL1800 to take to Upstate New York for a week!!!  A few pieces of paper later and I’m leaving…  I find out as I’m prepping to go Rob went to the line to try to convince the Service Tech to take the relevant parts from the Orange GL and put them in mine.  He lost that argument simply because it would take too long to accomplish. 

Just to be clear:  Because of a manufacturing defect from Honda that Greater Boston Motorsports had nothing to do with and no opportunity to check, they gave me immediate priority all day and when my bike couldn’t be fixed they gave me a new GL1800 Gold Wing to take on vacation!  Fully aware that I’m going to a motorcycle rally 250 miles away for an entire week!  There is no way this is not going to be a “Used” bike by the time we get back.  I figure “making things right” for me is costing GBM $3k in the resale value of this bike, and so far it’s cost me one day of my vacation and a $20 tip to Thom from Iron Horse Transportation.

Greater Boston Motorsports has made me a customer for life!

Wes

 
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From:  Phil (n1qam)  6/1/2003 1:20 pm 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (4 of 37) 
 1930.4 in reply to 1930.3 
What a story Wes! Based on your experience, and the treatment Ed got servicing his Wing, I think I know where I'll be heading first when I next buy a Honda.
Sorry we won't be seeing your GL1800 out in NY, but I'll bet youse guys are gonna look real nice on the Pearle Orange one!

Phil & Denise

 
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From:  Preachp  6/1/2003 1:46 pm 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (5 of 37) 
 1930.5 in reply to 1930.3 
Hi Wes,
Boy I'm glad it had a happy ending, I was getting ready to say goodbye to Li'l Wing, and I hadn't even had her a week yet. LOL Have a safe trip and am really glad everything worked out.
 
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From:  JB (JAMESB121)  6/1/2003 2:06 pm 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (6 of 37) 
 1930.6 in reply to 1930.3 
Wes - An amazing story!! These guys went way beyond what a reasonable person would expect for service. If this a known factory defect, I hope they have some way to get reimbursed by Honda for what they'll lose on the 'used' Wing.

Hell, I thought offering you a demo k1200 was a big deal, but the ultimate solution mind blowing. I'm going to add this story to my list of examples that I give clients about customer service. It re-enforces the maxim that "Customer service begins AFTER the #### hits the fan."

Hope you have a great vacation at Americade.

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From:  Gusto (GLEARNER)  DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 2:41 pm 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (7 of 37) 
 1930.7 in reply to 1930.3 

Wes,
So glad that things turned out the way they did. I felt really bad after seeing you at the dealership and hearing your story, but didn't want to say anything to make things worse.

GBM proved once again that they're worth doing business with and your case is a perfect example of such. What could have been a nightmare turned out to be a mere inconvenience (well... may be more than an inconvenience). At the end you guys will be at Americade, enjoying a Goldwing and knowing that your bike will be waiting for you when you're back.

Looking forward to seeing you and Heidi at Americade on your "FireWing". :^)

Safe riding, Gary

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From:  Ed (STAD)  Staff DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 2:42 pm 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (8 of 37) 
 1930.8 in reply to 1930.3 

So, now that Wes has done the play-by-play, I'll add the color commentary:

Saturday morning at about 8:30 I noticed that my voice mail had a new call. I pick it up only to hear Wes calling me from the side of the road on Friday night telling me that his GL1800 has broken down, and he's waiting for a tow truck. OMIGOD, he's going to blame me for this is my first irrational thought, but more importantly, I need to find out what's happening.

I call Heidi at home, and she's just a bit "frazzled". She tells me the basics of the breakdown and the story about the tow, but doesn't know any more details. I ask her if I should call Wes, or if I should leave him alone. She says, "By all means, call him. You're the first one he called after he called Honda. I'm sure he'd like to hear from you". So, I call Wes on his cell and leave a message (he's still on the VTX, I find out later), and then wait for his call back.

Wes calls back in about 10 minutes and tells me the story again, adding that the folks at GBM think it's probably just a blown hose and they'll have him on the road in a couple of hours at most. He needs to wait for the tow truck, so we hang up and he promises to call me later.

My cell rings in about an hour and I see that it's Wes so I answer by saying "OK, tell me the good news". He proceeds to tell me the entire story that he's just described about his bike and how GBM handled the situation. I'm a bit stunned, but honestly not surprised because EVERY dealing that I've had with them has been excellent. I've recommended them to friends, have brought friends to buy bikes there, but still, this is really "above and beyond". When we hang up, Wes is waiting to go pick up his GL "school bus", and we make plans to have dinner together because he and Heidi are obviously not going to Americade on Saturday.

One final call to confirm the time we want to meet for dinner and Wes now tells me that he has a brand new Orange GL1800 for the week. We meet and he finishes his story and the four of us have a great dinner with lots of laughs. I can only imagine how it could have been!

So, I also heartily recommend GBM. Their service is great, their people are friendly, and they really CARE about their customers.

Only bad point that I can think of is that the Orange GL1800 that Wes and Heidi will have at Americade won't have a CB installed (Wes and I both bought CBs and had them installed for Americade.) So, I guess it's back to hand signals and facial gestures for the "Wing boys".

-Ed (STAD) 

"Robin & Ed"


In Loving Memory
Karen - My Wife and Best Friend

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From:    Staff DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 3:11 pm 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (9 of 37) 
 1930.9 in reply to 1930.1 

WOW! LOL! if you're gonna have a problem with a Honda, it's gonna be the first week. ..that's my experience.

I bought my bike in February and had to have it stored for a month before I could ride it.. is was one of those bad winters. I take it out the first day, go 10 miles and stop for a coffee at a small general store..as I'm walking out to the bike there's a guy out there admiring it, but then he points to a puddle of antifreeze right below where the overflow tank is (behind the left sidecover) and says "hey, I think you're leaking something.)

...make a long story short, I didn't get the good answers you got.. I got the "oh ya, a lot of 'em got a problem with the overflow tank.. seems the hose that feeds it gets stressed and breaks if the hose isn't installed right.) Anyway, the owner of the Honda dealership (Gill GreenRiver Motorsports) guy starts telling "ME" how to fix it.
Instead of, "where are you, we'll come get you and fix it and make it right." I don't go there anymore.

>>> I have to admit I was not helping matters standing around just waiting for something to screw up. <<<

I can imagine they were a little nervous when this 7 foot tall 300lb GW owner with a broken 'Wing that is brand new is stomping around the place.. I would be too!! LOL!!

Glad they were standup about it and that you'll get to salvage your vacation!

Steve   Ashby Ma.

F8 and be there.

 

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Well, he hands you a nickel,

He hands you a dime,

He asks you with a grin

If you're havin' a good time,

Then he fines you every time you slam the door.

I ain't gonna work for Maggie's brother no more.

 

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Edited 6/1/2003 6:24:04 PM ET by Lost in the Pack Valk (STEVEL1949)
 
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From:  Dirt (drtryan)  DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 3:20 pm 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (10 of 37) 
 1930.10 in reply to 1930.3 

Wow!!!  You suppose I could get a good deal on a USED orange GL1800????  

I'm glad to hear about these guys.  I get lots of questions from students and I don't have many good stories to tell personally so having one is awesome!


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From:  Toad Runner (larrys4227)  6/1/2003 3:37 pm 
To: Dirt (drtryan)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (11 of 37) 
 1930.11 in reply to 1930.10 
Wow!!! You suppose I could get a good deal on a USED orange GL1800????

That might not be a bad idea! Wes gets to 'break it in' proper and give it a good once-over for a 'seal of approval'.

I wouldn't be interested tho.....I'm not old enough. (duckin and runnin') LOL

Larry

 
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From:  Toad Runner (larrys4227)  6/1/2003 3:40 pm 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (12 of 37) 
 1930.12 in reply to 1930.3 
Hey Wes - Glad to hear about the good experience with GBM. I've never been there, but there are NOT many good dealers around that I've found. Nice to know there is someone within reasonable distance.

I hear some many good things about the Honda Riders Club. I've never had to use them, but I keep my renewed card close at hand....and makes me feel great to know its there just in case.

Take care....and have a GREAT trip.

Ride Safe, Larry

 
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From:  Dirt (drtryan)  DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 4:09 pm 
To: Toad Runner (larrys4227)  (13 of 37) 
 1930.13 in reply to 1930.11 
Shortly after Ed got his 'wing, he had a trip to go on.  He loaned it to me and I put a couple miles on it while he was gone.  I know that the 'wing will be my next bike, the only question is how many years until I get one.  Its not time yet though....

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From:  Ed (STAD)  Staff DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 4:25 pm 
To: Dirt (drtryan)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (14 of 37) 
 1930.14 in reply to 1930.13 
A "couple of miles"?! <LOL>

-Ed (STAD) 

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From:  Toad Runner (larrys4227)  6/1/2003 4:48 pm 
To: Dirt (drtryan)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (15 of 37) 
 1930.15 in reply to 1930.13 
I know that the 'wing will be my next bike, the only question is how many years until I get one

I'd be fibbing if I said I hadn't thought about what my next bike is....but I've got lots of miles/smiles/years to ride my VTX. Just this year, I've got it setup great for those long cruises. The only drawback that I miss is the smooth ride. My old CB1000 was silky...!

I have looked at the GW and it is impressive, but not sure if its the right 'type of bike' for me. I admire pretty much anything on 2-wheels, but I'm picky-picky-picky on what I'd own. When another bike hits me the way the VTX did, then I'll know its time, but its gotta be (what my wife calls) a "Larry-bike". heehee!

OK...I'll have to say these choppers from "West Coast" and "Iron Horse" really trip my trigger, and while my mind can handle it....my body can't. I like to ride and ride...and I just wouldn't be able to do it on a chopper without being disabled. :-)

Thanks Todd...now you got me thinking! My wife ain't gonna like this. Nope, not at all....LMAO!

Take care, Larry

 
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From:  Dirt (drtryan)  DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 5:13 pm 
To: Ed (STAD)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (16 of 37) 
 1930.16 in reply to 1930.14 
well, yeah, it was a couple hundred

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Edited 6/1/2003 7:16:28 PM ET by Ed (STAD)
 
From:  Ed (STAD)  Staff DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/1/2003 5:20 pm 
To: Dirt (drtryan)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (17 of 37) 
 1930.17 in reply to 1930.16 
well, yeah, it was a couple hundred. . . SHORT OF A THOUSAND! <LOL>

-Ed (STAD) 

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From:  shadow_bob  6/2/2003 7:37 am 
To: Wes (wes_vtx)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (18 of 37) 
 1930.18 in reply to 1930.3 
Great story Wes and very glad it worked out for you. Kind of suprised by GBM as I've heard nothing but horror stories about them in the past.

Bobby

 
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From:  texaslonerider (ButchC3)  DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/23/2003 2:08 pm 
To: Gusto (GLEARNER)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (19 of 37) 
 1930.19 in reply to 1930.7 

Hey Gary long time. What have you been up to ? Drop by Southern Coastal and fill us all in.

Cowboy


 

 

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From:  Gusto (GLEARNER)  DelphiPlusMember Icon 6/24/2003 9:21 am 
To: texaslonerider (ButchC3)  DelphiPlusMember Icon  (20 of 37) 
 1930.20 in reply to 1930.19 

Hey Butch,
Thanks for checking in, has been long time indeed.

Still don't have much time to ride (but it's probably never enough, LOL). What's new you? How's Lady D? Still riding the Vulcan?

My regards to Southern Coastal!
Hope to catch up and ride with you soon...

Safe riding, Gary

God Bless America
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