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From:  MarkErni  11/12/2006 08:57 
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 126613.1 

Pinochet, the Chilean dictator who ruled Chile for
40 years with an iron fist, died of a heart attack today.
He was 91.

BBC and CNN showed cities in Chile erupting in wild
celebrations and joy. Thousands of people poured out
into the streets of Santiago and other major towns,
singing, dancing and open up champagne bottles,
as if they are celebrating a great joyous event.

Chile had never witnessed such spontaneous celebrations
in over 4 decades. Most of the revellers interviewed by
the news networks said they had only one regret. That
death was too kind to Pinochet. He should have been alive
to stand trial and be punished. That was the only regret
the people had.

This was the man who was credited with bringing Chile
up from a dusty under developed country to one of
South America's best performing economies in the 80s and 90s.

Now, in his death, the same nation celebrates with open
wanton joy and wish him only one gift.
They wish him and curse him to hell.

Strange are the ways in which history unfolds its events.

WHAT DRIVES HUMANS TO CELEBRATE THE DEATH OF A LEADER ?

 
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From:  MeRLioN (christan24)  11/12/2006 09:02 
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you know that Pinocet guy
not once in his pathetic life did he gave joy to his people
until now!!!
he did the right thing ...he dropped dead !!!

Its JOY TO THE WORLD comes early in Chile

kekekekeke

 
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From:  DictatorLKY  11/12/2006 09:50 
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Then when LKY dies, should every Singaporeans mourn and wail loudly? Or will the outcome be similiar to the results of this poll?

http://forums.delphiforums.com/sammyboymod/messages?msg=126369.1

or this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6167651.stm

In pictures: Chile reacts to Pinochet death

Opponents of Gen Pinochet rejoice at news of his death

Thousands of people took to streets of the Chilean capital, Santiago, both to mourn and to celebrate the death of Chile's former military ruler, Gen Augusto Pinochet.

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I certainly will celebrate with a bottle of champagne, thats a promise!

 



Edited 11/12/2006 09:53 ET by DictatorLKY
 
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From:  Singveld  11/12/2006 10:46 
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66% are crying
and sad for the great leader to leave them

 
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From:  UncleYap  11/12/2006 11:14 
to: Singveld  5 of 9 
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Pinochet died many are in celebrations, but I am worried that LKy might just died like that also, without paying back for the unjust and wrong doings of his political live.

I generally regarded 4 models of dictators' ending:

Model 1 = died in power & past power to successor e.g. USSR Joseph Stalin. Whereby the people have absolutely no chance to seek punishment of dictatorial crimes.

Model 2 = died in exil e.g. Philippines Marcos. Forced to lose power but managed to escape away & hide safely.

Model 3 = died in detaintion e.g. Chilean Pinochet died in house arrest, Indonesian Suharto & Iraqi Saddam will soon join this group. But Pinochet didn't pay back enough Suharto as well.

Model 4 = died in the process of losing power e.g. Italian Benito Mussolini and German Hitler. Killed or executed.

LKy must NOT be allowed to die without his entire famiLEE LEEgime taken apart completely to expose all the falsehood and bluffs; accounting thoroughly accounting for all the injustice and corruptions.

Singaporean people MUST squeeze out EVERY DROP from LKy's so called Data Bank, to get to the bottom of UNTRUTH & TRUTH.

The entire world of future must completely understand LKy's system of greed & LEEgalized Corruption; Nepotism & Cronism; False Justice; False Democracy; False Freedom; False Economy; False Wealth & False Independence. The history must be truthfully informed of LKy's record of betrayals; treason against people / ethnic and state.

Although whichever way LKy ended, his falsehoods and crimes will still get exposed and recorded, but no verification to the bottom would be possible if he just died or lost conciousness from e.g. a brain stroke before we extracted his Data Bank. :-)

Many Singaproean pray for LKy's quick death, but I must stronglys suggest that they modify their prayals. Pray for LKy to lose power and fail to escape, and let the peasants get him alive and healthy. Let him pay back sufficiently before he meet god or satan.

Don't give LKy a cheap deal to just die like Pinochet.

The future Singaporeans for next few hundred years must be allowed to enjoy the confidence of owning and controlling our nation by people's civil rights and political rights - free from dictatorship & famiLEE LEEgime LKy style. The ending of LKY famiLEE LEEgime MUST thus be made in a way that would be well remembered and learnt by the future Singaporeans in our national history.

If LKy's ending went into Model 1 as given above, then the entire future Singapore will live in the shadow of USSR's Joseph Stalin where the people of USSR have no control and unable to do any about Stalin before he died.

We must do our part and DON'T hope for a cheap ending of LKy in Model 1. If heaven grant me the ability I would bring LKy back alive from his grave just to hold him accountable if he died like that.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061211/ap_on_re_as/chile_pinochet

 
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From:  ew69  11/12/2006 11:16 
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Oh man, when I glanced at yahoo news briefly this morning and saw the headlines, I was shocked 'cos I thought the old dude died a long time ago.
 
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From:  laksa_boy  11/12/2006 11:24 
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I'll be partying... one of the 33%.

Since it's better to be feared than to be loved while living, don't blame the people for spitting and trampling on your name long after your death. You reap what you sow.

LKY, you are 83 this year. Pinochet died at 91. 8 long years before you break his record. Will you or won't you?

We shall stay tuned.

 
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From:  ill LEE Gal (under age of 15) illegal (illleegal)  11/12/2006 11:27 
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Pinochet only ruled from 1973 to 1998, not 4 decades like Lee Kuan Yew. LKY deserves more shit than Pinochet because he is a hypocratical coward full of untruths.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/472707.stm

Obituary: Augusto Pinochet

General Augusto Pinochet in military uniform
Saviour of Chile or remorseless murderer?

Gen Pinochet's life

General Augusto Pinochet led Chile's armed forces in a dramatic coup against Salvador Allende's democratically elected Marxist government. The violence of the uprising and the oppression that followed shook the world.

In September 1973, thousands of so-called subversives were rounded up in Santiago's national football stadium. Some of them were executed.

General Pinochet emerged from behind his dark glasses to lead the country. Before long, parliament was suspended and elections were banned.

As political opposition was crushed, riots, arrests and torture became commonplace. Thousands of people disappeared. Throughout, General Pinochet claimed he was saving Chile from communism.

Military coup

Augusto Pinochet Ugarte was born in 1915, the eldest of six children. Following a military education, he joined the army at 18.

Pinochet, in sunglasses, assumes power in 1973
Pinochet assumed power in 1973
By 1969 he was its chief of staff, and in 1973 was made a general and became commander-in-chief of Chile's armed forces.

Chile's Marxist President, Salvador Allende, had then been in power nearly three years. Political strife, rocketing inflation and general economic chaos resulted in an abortive military coup in June 1973.

Two months later, Allende appointed Pinochet commander-in-chief, believing he could rely on him. But in September, Pinochet told Allende to resign or face military action.

Allende refused and was found dead when troops entered the presidential palace. His widow said he had been killed by the rebels. Others said he had committed suicide.

Growing difficulties

Two days later Pinochet was named president of a ruling junta. Civil rights were suspended, Marxist political parties outlawed, the power of unions reduced, and heavy censorship introduced. Many intellectuals went abroad.

Allende's palace in ruins after the military coup
Allende was found dead in the ruins of the presidential palace
It became known later that the CIA had spent millions to destabilise the Allende government.

In June 1974 Pinochet became president. In 1978, in what was called a national consultation, he won 75% of the vote.

In 1980 a new constitution was approved, and the following year Pinochet was sworn in for an eight-year presidential term.

In the 1980s he faced growing difficulties. His policies had dramatically reduced the rate of inflation, bringing prosperity to the professional and commercial sectors.

Unemployment, however, had soared and in 1981 an economic recession saw riots on the streets of Santiago.

Britain's discreet ally

During the Falklands conflict in 1982, Chile had been Britain's discreet ally against Argentina, and, despite Labour protests, Margaret Thatcher's government ended a ban on arms exports to Chile.

Over the years, President Pinochet acquired a degree of international acceptance, and he did make some concessions to democracy but, in October 1988, the electorate, given the straight choice of voting for him or against him, rejected him by 54.7% to 43%.

Pinochet is hugged by a supporter on his return to Chile
Pinochet enjoyed a warm welcome on his return to Chile
He reluctantly accepted the result and, though he refused opposition demands to hand over power immediately, he stepped down as president two years later.

However, he remained head of the Chilean armed forces for another seven years when, to the dismay of his political opponents, he became a senator for life in Chile's now democratic parliament.

If Augusto Pinochet thought he would enjoy a quiet retirement, he was mistaken. A regular visitor to Britain, where he had many friends, he was arrested in October 1998, while undergoing medical treatment in London.

Emotional return

A Spanish court had requested his extradition to face charges over alleged human rights abuses and, amid much legal wrangling, the British government placed him under house arrest.

Old friends, like Lady Thatcher, provided him with high-profile comfort.

But his opponents were outraged when a report by a team of distinguished doctors concluded that Pinochet was too ill to face a trial and the British government agreed to let him go home.

In March 2000, after 18 months of enforced exile, a Chilean plane flew General Pinochet out of Britain, back to his homeland and a welcome from the military and ecstatic supporters.

Weeks later, a court in Santiago stripped him of his immunity from prosecution, an act which provoked years of legal wrangling.

In March 2005, the Chilean appeals court voted to reverse a lower-court ruling that Pinochet could be prosecuted for his alleged role in Operation Condor, a co-ordinated effort by six South American governments to hunt down and kill political opponents in the 1970s.

Even so, at the time of his death, the general still faced a raft of other allegations, most notably over an alleged multi-million dollar tax fraud.

But the frailty of his health, after several strokes, meant that he never stood trial and, to the end, judgements on Augusto Pinochet remained passionately divided.

 
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From:  GoFlyKiteBud  11/12/2006 17:03 
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The old man was 90 plus and was already getting embarassed
in Chile with public calling for his trial and punishment.
It was a public disgrace or him as he considered himself
a hero all the while.

 
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