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From:  makapa  21/08/2007 09:47 
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One can imagine the Temasick and GeeAyeSee have lost so much money and the Familee's greed has reached such a level that they have the gall to CUT the interest rate for the Special and Medisave Accounts. These are the same CCB fcukers who claim 18% pa return from using the peasants' the CPF money and are now engaging in creative accounting to cheat the peasants of ALL of their entire blood and coffin money. Nothing short of a revolution can save Sporns now!

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CPF Special, Medisave accounts' rates to be modified next year
By May Wong and Tung Shing Yi, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 21 August 2007 1557 hrs

 
 
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SINGAPORE : Interest rates for the CPF Special, Medisave and Retirement Accounts will be re-pegged to an appropriate long-term bond rate.

Manpower Minister Ng Eng Hen said more details on this will be worked out and announced next month.

He said the new rates will be lower initially than the current rate of 4 percent but it should do better than 4 percent over time.

But as the rates will be pegged to the market, fluctuations can be expected.

=> Why not peg it to the S & P return, which is at 11.9% pa, CCB Bargain Hen?

Dr Ng was speaking at a news conference to explain the initiatives announced by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong at the National Day Rally.

Giving more details on the compulsory annuities, Dr Ng said only part of the minimum sum from the CPF will be set aside for it.

A major portion of the minimum sum will still be for the members to withdraw when they reach the draw-down age.

Dr Ng said this is to ensure that members are covered even after the age of 85.

He said the aim is to achieve a subsistence payout first - of possibly between S$250 and S$300 per month.

=> Worse than NS pay! WTF! $250 in x years = $2.50 in today's value!

Private sector economists said the rates could be pegged to government-issued bonds.

"If we peg it to a SGS bond, it will definitely be below the target 4 percent rate. Our thoughts are that, they might be looking at a bond issued by say, Temasek, which has typically in previous years averaged returns more than 4 percent. So we can probably enjoy higher returns in that way," said Alvin Liew, economist at UOB Treasury Research.

Singapore Government Bonds are currently yielding between a modest 3 percent and 4 percent, prompting some analysts to suggest a benchmark that included a guaranteed portion.

Some economists suggested that the government could provide a fixed 1-2 percent base, plus a variable component tied to the Singapore Government Bond yield.

As the rates would be pegged to the market, fluctuations in returns could be expected.

"It is conceivable that CPF members can expect, in the long term, maybe more than 4 percent per annum. On the risk side, if these new rates are variable and it falls below 4 percent, that is a worry for CPF members," said Roy Varghese, Director of Financial Planning, IPAC.

The changes to the CPF interest rates will be effective in 2008.

They will cost the government S$700 million a year, initially.

Meanwhile, the government also wants to provide an "extreme longevity protection" for citizens by making annuities compulsory for those below 50 years old.

Said Dr Ng: "We are basically looking at compulsory annuities to protect members from outliving their retirement savings. Let me first say that we'll consult widely. We do not intend to, when we start this scheme, to put the major proportion of your minimum sum into annuities. That's the first thing that needs to be said.

"In fact, a smaller proportion of your minimum sum will be put into annuities, so the major portion of your minimum sum will still be drawn out, drawn down by
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From:  BG (LeeConYou)  21/08/2007 10:18 
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<<the aim is to achieve a subsistence payout first - of possibly between S$250 and S$300 per month.

=> Worse than NS pay! WTF! $250 in x years = $2.50 in today's value!>>

Vivian Balakrishnan: "How much do you want? 3 meals in a hawker centre, food court or restaurant? I give $290/month already very heart-pain"

 
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From:  QuinceL  21/08/2007 10:19 
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Ng eng hen is another fcuktup toad.  Remember CNA showing him on his typical day of work.  Before I saw this programme, I was thinking so well of him, after that, I said shit him!!!!   After the show, I notice that he is not the sort who will not put in his best effort to serve the nation.   WE have lots of crap people like him in PAP.  

Since he took over as manpower minister, he has not helped the people.  Now he come out with this nuisance to carry LHL's balls.  Shit him lah, politics is not for him, he better be a doctor and just leave politics!   Bloody shit!

 
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From:  honour6  21/08/2007 10:23 
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We have paid top salaries to these people but the outcome is the same as other western economies.
 
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From:  BG (LeeConYou)  21/08/2007 10:23 
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<<Shit him lah, politics is not for him, he better be a doctor and just leave politics!>>

No lah, he better be a chicken since he's so useless.

 
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From:  QuinceL  21/08/2007 10:25 
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Correction:

After the show, I notice that he is not the sort who will not put in his best effort to serve the nation.   WE have lots of crap people like him in PAP.  

 Should read: After the show, I notice that he is not the sort who will put in his best effort to serve the nation.   WE have lots of crap people like him in PAP.  

 
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From:  11inchdong  21/08/2007 13:05 
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I have requested home that my remaining luggage be packed and I am leaving.

4% and the 2.5 were guaranteed by legislation, but of course crooks will change them. Before even trying to maintain 4% they drop it. They do not even bother to try. Academics in and out of Singapore have told the fucked up PAP that CPF funds need to be worked to produce better results. Now PAP admits they are fucked up and show you they cannot even achieve 4%, which legislature stipulated. There was a time that CPF paid 6%. If it will be initially lower, can the PAP not absorb the interest payments to CPF members. Unless initially is 25 years or longer.

S$250 and S$300 per month for a 85 year old who cannot work, and runs out of the minimum sum is a clear indication of the pirates running this country. I suggested a pension paid by the PAP at 70 or 75, this gigolo of a prostitute suggests 85 years, most probably at market rate S$250-350. Given inflation of 4%, in 25 years, one bowl of noodles will cost S$6-7 then. Eat shit, lah, you fucking thieves stealing milllions and billions!

 

 

 
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From:  11inchdong  21/08/2007 13:18 
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What a fucker!

http://mycpf.cpf.gov.sg/Members/Gen-Info/Int-Rates/Int-Rates

CPF Interest Rates (01 Oct 2007 to 31 Dec 2007)
(reviewed quarterly)

Ordinary account 2.5% p.a.
Medisave, Special & Retirement accounts 4% p.a.
 
  CPF members receive a market-related interest rate (based on the 12-month fixed deposit and month-end savings rates of the major local banks) on their CPF savings. For funds that are placed for retirement and a longer period of time, like savings in the Special and Retirement Accounts, members would earn additional interest of 1.5 percentage points above the normal CPF interest rate.

From 1 October 2001, savings in the Medisave Account will also earn additional interest of 1.5 percentage points above the CPF interest rate. This is to help CPF members build up their Medisave savings faster.

Under the CPF Act, the Board pays a minimum interest of 2.5% per annum when the CPF interest formula yields a lower rate. CPF interest is computed monthly and, compounded and credited annually.

 
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From:  11inchdong  21/08/2007 13:21 
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Singapore has consistently had inflation of 3-4%.@We do not have deflation now. Now, PAP is going to decrease interest rates for Special Retirement account after 12 years. You cheeby coward Singaporeans, go end die by continuing to vote the PAP. I am leaving - period!

YEAR

CPF Interest Rate Per Annum (%)
 
Ordinary
and
Medisave
Account
 
 
Special
and
Retirement
Account
 
Jul-Dec 1995 3.82 5.07
     
Jan-Jun 1996 3.52 4.77
Jul-Dec 1996 3.48 4.73
     
Jan-Jun 1997 3.48 4.73
Jul-Dec 1997 3.48 4.73
     
Jan-Jun 1998 3.48 4.73
Jul-Dec 1998 4.29 5.79
     
Jan-Jun 1999 4.41 5.91
Jul-Sep 1999 2.50 4.00
Oct-Dec 1999 2.50 4.00
     
Jan-Mar 2000 2.50 4.00
Apr-Jun 2000 2.50 4.00
Jul-Sep 2000 2.50 4.00
Oct-Dec 2000 2.50 4.00
     
Jan-Mar 2001 2.50 4.00
Apr-Jun 2001 2.50 4.00
Jul-Sep 2001 2.50 4.00
 
YEAR CPF Interest Rate Per Annum (%)
 
Ordinary
Account
 
 
Medisave,
Special
and
Retirement
Account
 
Oct-Dec 2001 2.50 4.00
Jan-Mar 2002 2.50 4.00
Apr-Jun 2002 2.50 4.00
Jul-Sep 2002 2.50 4.00
Oct-Dec 2002 2.50 4.00
Jan-Mar 2003 2.50 4.00
Apr-Jun 2003 2.50 4.00
Jul-Sep 2003 2.50 4.00
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From:  spartacus436  21/08/2007 22:56 
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As mentioned during hs speech he said greying population...etc same as other country...but when it comes to pay for ministers Sillypore is special ??? Wat the hell !!
 
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From:  duothrust  21/08/2007 23:05 
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<<"If we peg it to a SGS bond, it will definitely be below the target 4 percent rate. Our thoughts are that, they might be looking at a bond issued by say, Temasek, which has typically in previous years averaged returns more than 4 percent. So we can probably enjoy higher returns in that way," said Alvin Liew, economist at UOB Treasury Research. >>

KNN...root of all evil is TemaSICK, probably bleeding like hell with a fucked up portfolio consisting mainly of companies in financial sector.

 
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From:  tohgoh  21/08/2007 23:15 
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<After the show, I notice that he is not the sort who will not put in his best effort to serve the nation.>

He has not yet attempt to bring the price of oil down. But instead, he bring our interest in CPF down. He deserve to be curse. Any gong tao expert here?



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From:  QuinceL  21/08/2007 23:40 
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As mentioned during hs speech he said greying population...etc same as other country...but when it comes to pay for ministers Sillypore is special ??? Wat the hell !!

You are right to say it.  Really they are practising double standard.  WTF!  They expect people to get pay cut when they continue to work in their old age, but these sickos don't have any pay cut, the old ones in PAP are still getting fat salary and even more than ever.  To be exact, they are the highest paid govt in the world.   As leaders of the country it is necessary that they show us good example by accepting pay cut in their old age since they are the ones who suggested that we have to accept pay cut when we work in our old age.  Crap! Crap!   Singapore is not a dynasty, so just cut the crap out of it!  bloody shit! 

 
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From:  QuinceL  21/08/2007 23:42 
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ng eng hen is just not fit for the job.   PAP has bad taste and judgement to get him in, shit, he is hopeless.  All he does so far is not for the benefit of the people.  Bloody idiot!   Why can't he just continue to be the doctor and don't add on to any nuisance to us!!!   Just another good for nothing.
 
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From:  Nimrod53  22/08/2007 00:33 
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I remembered one of the senior surgeons at Mt E  mentioned to me that the Hen really CMI in his practice - no business. Now with his fat pay, only an idiot will want to u-turn back to his former profession.
 
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From:  QuinceL  22/08/2007 01:06 
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What is CMI?  By the way, he is not fit to be any MP or minister.   He is just like the others, no heart for the people only work for their own good.
 
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From:  Nimrod53  22/08/2007 01:29 
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CMI => cannot make it..
 
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From:  Ah beng (OfficeBeng)  22/08/2007 01:38 
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"In fact, a smaller proportion of your minimum sum will be put into annuities, so the major portion of your minimum sum will still be drawn out, drawn down by members at the draw-down age."

An example of this annuity is that the CPF member pays a basic premium of X dollars which goes into a pool.

That money will be paid out from age 85 - for life.

But if the member doesn't live till 85 years old, the money will then be used to support others in the pool, who are still alive. "

Bros,

Does the above means that we'll kiss our CPF goodbye if we don't live pass 85?



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From:  QuinceL  22/08/2007 01:40 
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Thanks.  Before that he was a senior surgeon in SGH.  Better don't make him the PM, yucks!
 
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From:  MeRLioN (christan24)  22/08/2007 01:49 
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sorry to correct you bro :

85 years old is YOUR WHOLE LIFE !!!
in fact majority of our population have much shorter life span :(

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That money will be paid out from age 85 - for life.

 
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