Coffee Shop Talk (Read-Only Folder) -  NKF vs PAP Regime. 
 
From:  TalkNoAction  14/07/2005 15:25 
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1. Both lack transparency.

2. Both keep huge reserves as the people the are SUPPOSE
to help suffer. Both keep adding unnecessarily to reserves,

3. Both use DEFAMATION to slience critics.

4. Both pay their leaders astronomical sums. The Singapore leaders are paid higher than US leaders.Both see nothing wrong in overpaying the leadership even as Singaporeans suffer the high unemployment and recessions.

5. Both have unsatiable need for money. One keep expanding its fund raising activities, the other keep raising fees, GST etc.

6. Both love nice buildings. Compare NKF building to SingPost.

7. Both pretend to care for the poor as the leaders take astronomical pay.

8. Both have used the word "PEANUTS" in the same context.

7. Both believe in use of spin and deception. The masses were led to believe they were getting Swiss standard of living.

8. Both are not cost effective in serving the people.

9. One is run by a Durian the other built 2 durians with tax payer's money.

10. Both believe in the extensive use of Foreign talents instead of Singaporeans. In NKF more than 60% are FT.

11. Both are led by authoritarian style leadership.

12. Both coerced the public for rising donations and votes in resent years due to extensive use of the media and unfair tactics. NKF has been getting more and more donation using hard sell tactics, the PAP threatens to not to upgrade your flats if you vote the opposition.

13. Both like to use fuzzy statistics and spin. One once claims Singapore workers are paid higher than US workers, the other claimed its reserves will last only 3 years.

14, Both have leadership with directorship in external companies...potentially resulting in conflicts of interests.

15. Both are arrogant.

16. Both like to use the word world class.

17. Both used the reserves for overseas investment instead of helping Singaporeans. Durai invested in a call center while the PAP regime invests in everything. Both make Singaporeans pay more for their medical treatment than necessary while keeping montrous reserves.

 
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From:  wt19  14/07/2005 16:02 
to: TalkNoAction  2 of 42 
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So?
 
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From:  derekleung  14/07/2005 16:27 
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Because the fucking poor are retards and gullible.

Just like Doctors selling the idea that you need them. So THEY can sell more products and services that you do not need.

IF you look after yourselfs. Do u really need the doctors if you eat well and sleep well.

Poor will rather spent $20 on medical fees than on his own meal.

 
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From:  methings2say  14/07/2005 16:33 
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...And 18. Both make you pay and pay. Nothing is for free.

19. Both care only about the bottomline. No real love for the pple they are supposed to care and serve.

20. Both live in castles in the air. They have lost touch with reality!

21. Both are rather insensitive. They treat pple as peanuts!

22. Both are not accountable. When pple asked for facts and figures, they thumped their noses in the air!

23. One is pay and pay(PAP) all the time. The other is twist and turn(TT Durai) at double time.

24. Both take us for suckers! They suck you dry and dry!

25. Both try to show a human face. But are truly blood-suckers!

26. Both like to talk about the past - boast of their achievements. But frighten you of the future.

27. Both think we are stupid. Can make fools of us anytime.

28. Both wont relinguish power willingly...until they are kicked out by the pple!!!



Edited 14/07/2005 16:46 ET ET by methings2say
 
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From:  TalkNoAction  14/07/2005 19:51 
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29. Both are favorite targets of vandals.

30. Both like to talk about entrepreneurship.

31. Both are innovative in the way they get
money from the people.

32. Both Durai and the PAP have been in power
for more than 30 years. Power corrupts absolute
power corrupts absolutely.

 
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From:  note500  14/07/2005 20:17 
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32. Both market subsidise their service.
33. Both like to change objective of their organisation give new meaning to "Charity", "Non-profit", "PUBLIC HOUSING", "PUBLIC TRANSPORT", "NTUC".
 
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From:  TalkNoAction  14/07/2005 20:20 
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34. Both like to celebrate past achievements and constantly remind the public of it.
 
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From:  enterpris5  14/07/2005 21:47 
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Hey! U stole my thread!!
 
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From:  ekaraya  14/07/2005 22:18 
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35. Both need new blood. Out with the old.
 
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From:  FeiHK  14/07/2005 22:32 
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An excellent summary to remind Sillyporeans that what they now see in NKF is acually what they could not see in the SIW because of the 147th media which is controlled by the latter.
 
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From:  FeiHK  14/07/2005 22:34 
to: methings2say  11 of 42 
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<<<..28. Both wont relinguish power willingly...until they are kicked out by the pple!!!>>>

Good work. And I wonder when will it be the SIW's turn to be kicked out by the people.

 
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From:  bohchap1  14/07/2005 22:34 
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Clap! Clap! I couldnt have said it better! Please keep this gem posting alive.If,later on, you dun see it in the main list on the left side-bar,revive it by entering "NKF vs PAP regime" at the bottom space and press the search button.Then just post anything else wrt this subject!I'll help u out if necessary. Cheers fellow sufferers of the MIW regime!
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From:  FeiHK  14/07/2005 22:37 
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<<<..32. Both Durai and the PAP have been in power
for more than 30 years. Power corrupts absolute
power corrupts absolutely>>>

That is the most amazing statement I've read so far.

 
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From:  littlespark2  14/07/2005 23:00 
to: TalkNoAction  14 of 42 
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BETTER GO FOR DIE-LAYSES !!!!!!!

Halo my flend "TalkNoAction", you got serious one ?

You "Both", "Both", "Both", "Both", "Both"...I already go botak man !

This small matter. It only saga. Saga like this normally got sage inside playing "wayang kulet". So never get excite one. Stay kool. When new NKF ask help you give one kidney, when government ask help, you give other kidney, then you go for die-layses. OK?

- littlespark2 - 07151101

 
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From:  ROTaiwan  14/07/2005 23:01 
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But really, what else can Singaporeans do except carry on with their daily lives, trying to eke out a living, trying to make as much money as they possibly can in a bid to compensate for the lack of basic political rights and greater civil liberties? This has been going on for the past 30 over years, since independence.

After all that is said and done, after the dust has settled, the PAP is still in power. They would still continue to wallow in their ways. All the talk about change and comparative analysis of NKF and PAP is simply just that - talk. Is there any real and meaningful change?

Is it any wonder that born and bred Singaporeans who can leave have already left? And those who are getting more disillusioned and discontented by the day, are making plans or on the verge of leaving? Is it any wonder that the PAP government, who can no longer do anything to improve the fertility rate, has to resort to importing foreign nationals en masse?

 
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From:  TalkNoAction  14/07/2005 23:36 
to: ekaraya  16 of 42 
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36. Both started with good intentions but was transformed
by money and greed along the way.

37. Both will not remake itself until its too late.

38. Both like to raise money through game of chance.
NKF runs lucky draw, the regime will have its casinos.

39. Both like to play on past crisis to justify their
present course of actions. For NKF, its the shortage
of funds in 80s, for the regime its the racial riots.

40. Both don't believe in empowering the people with
information. They want Singaporeans to be like sheep
give and don't ask questions.

41. Both demonised their opponents unfairly.

42. Both disregard international norms. For the NKF, they
the ignored the trend towards greater governance and transparency,
for the regime, they ignored the trend towards greater democracy.

 
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From:  TalkNoAction  15/07/2005 11:03 
to: FeiHK  17 of 42 
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>>>>Good work. And I wonder when will it be the SIW's turn to be kicked out by the people.>>>>

Very soon. I won't be surprised.

 
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From:  sinren67  15/07/2005 11:20 
to: TalkNoAction  18 of 42 
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Just feel to compile the similarities...and act as a references for our opps during the GE. Well done, you guys/gals!

1. Both lack transparency.
2. Both keep huge reserves as the people the are SUPPOSE
to help suffer. Both keep adding unnecessarily to reserves,
3. Both use DEFAMATION to slience critics.
4. Both pay their leaders astronomical sums. The Singapore leaders are paid higher than US leaders.Both see nothing wrong in overpaying the leadership even as Singaporeans suffer the high unemployment and recessions.
5. Both have unsatiable need for money. One keep expanding its fund raising activities, the other keep raising fees, GST etc.
6. Both love nice buildings. Compare NKF building to SingPost.
7. Both pretend to care for the poor as the leaders take astronomical pay.
8. Both have used the word "PEANUTS" in the same context.
7. Both believe in use of spin and deception. The masses were led to believe they were getting Swiss standard of living.
8. Both are not cost effective in serving the people.
9. One is run by a Durian the other built 2 durians with tax payer's money.
10. Both believe in the extensive use of Foreign talents instead of Singaporeans. In NKF more than 60% are FT.
11. Both are led by authoritarian style leadership.
12. Both coerced the public for rising donations and votes in resent years due to extensive use of the media and unfair tactics. NKF has been getting more and more donation using hard sell tactics, the PAP threatens to not to upgrade your flats if you vote the opposition.
13. Both like to use fuzzy statistics and spin. One once claims Singapore workers are paid higher than US workers, the other claimed its reserves will last only 3 years.
14, Both have leadership with directorship in external companies...potentially resulting in conflicts of interests.
15. Both are arrogant.
16. Both like to use the word world class.
17. Both used the reserves for overseas investment instead of helping Singaporeans. Durai invested in a call center while the PAP regime invests in everything. Both make Singaporeans pay more for their medical treatment than necessary while keeping montrous reserves.
18. Both make you pay and pay. Nothing is for free.
19. Both care only about the bottomline. No real love for the pple they are supposed to care and serve.
20. Both live in castles in the air. They have lost touch with reality!
21. Both are rather insensitive. They treat pple as peanuts!
22. Both are not accountable. When pple asked for facts and figures, they thumped their noses in the air!
23. One is pay and pay(PAP) all the time. The other is twist and turn(TT Durai) at double time.
24. Both take us for suckers! They suck you dry and dry!
25. Both try to show a human face. But are truly blood-suckers!
26. Both like to talk about the past - boast of their achievements. But frighten you of the future.
27. Both think we are stupid. Can make fools of us anytime.
28. Both wont relinguish power willingly...until they are kicked out by the pple!!!
29. Both are favorite targets of vandals.
30. Both like to talk about entrepreneurship.
31. Both are innovative in the way they get
money from the people.
32. Both Durai and the PAP have been in power
for more than 30 years. Power corrupts absolute
power corrupts absolutely.
33. Both market subsidise their service.
34. Both like to change objective of their organisation give new meaning to "Charity", "Non-profit", "PUBLIC HOUSING", "PUBLIC TRANSPORT", "NTUC".
35. Both like to celebrate past achievements and constantly remind the public of it.
36. Both need new blood. Out with the old.
37. Both started with good intentions but was transformed
by money and greed along the way.
38. Both will not remake itself until its too late.
39. Both like to raise money through game of chance.
NKF runs lucky draw, the regime will have its casinos.
40. Both like to play on past crisis to justify their
present course of actions. For NKF, its the shortage
of funds in 80s, for the regime its the racial riots.
41. Both don't believe in empowering the people with
information. They want Singaporeans to be like sheep
give and don't ask questions.
42. Both demonised their opponents unfairly.
43. Both disregard international norms. For the NKF, they
the ignored the trend towards greater governance and transparency,
for the regime, they ignored the trend towards greater democracy.
44. Both Committee Members & MPs hv hidden agenda. Both join so as to NETWORK for self benefits



Edited 15/07/2005 11:32 ET ET by sinren67
 
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From:  standbybed  15/07/2005 11:29 
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pls add this....Both Committee Members & MPs hv hidden agenda. Both join so as to NETWORK for self benefits.
 
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From:  Windstorm13  15/07/2005 12:03 
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Though i agreed or netural about most of what you say....But i have to disagree with your last point.Cause one of the major contributing factor to higher medical Costs this due to your neighbourhood, friendly Singaporeans. In case you don not know. Singaporean LOVE to go hospital for all sort of small problem worst still they would call public ambulance to send them treating it as a private taxi.Imagine Slight Fever want to Hospital, Small Cut on finger also call, Nose Bleed also want to go,Fall down Have a cut on the knee also claim cannot walk must see doctor at Hospital.
 
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