The debate on Climate Change [aususuk 86.13]

General Confusion - The debate on Climate Change (121506 views)

From:	ElDotardo	7/23/17 10:46 AM
To:	All	(13 of 807)

86.13 in reply to 86.12

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Melbourne could run out of water in ten years because of population growth and climate change

Wotta lotta bore-water! For a start, Melbourne already has a big desalination plant that is hardly used.

Secondly, global warming would produce more evaporation off the oceans and hence MORE rain, not less.

Thirdly, the Snowy scheme already pours lots of dammed water into the sea for "environmental" reasons. That water could easily be diverted inland into the Murray river. There is already a tunnel for that purpose. And again there is already a pipeline linking the Murray to Melbourne's water supply.

The galoots below would seem not to have a clue about the Melbourne water supply. They are however Greenies so are probably just frauds who want to frighten people. The only threat to the Melbourne water supply is the Greenies who want to send already-dammed water out to sea . .

One of the world's most livable cities could be facing an acute water shortage problem in the next ten to 15 years time no thanks to climate change and population growth.

Water supply in Melbourne may fall and reach a crisis point if no precautionary methods are taken to contain the problem from today, reports The Age.

The publication says demand for water in the state is expected to exceed the supply by 2028.

According to projections made by City West Water, Yarra Valley Water and South East Water demand for water is projected to surge to about 75 percent in the next 40 years, the publication reports.

Some water corporation produced the probable scenario for the state's water supply, Environment Victoria's acting chief executive, Nicholas Aberle told Daily Mail Australia.

Mr Aberle said there was a bunch of things that Melbournians can do to address the situation by incorporating several water saving habits.

He said people should learn ways on saving storm water and turning that into a valuable water resource. 'During the drought (1997 to 2009) people were managing water efficiency by only using 155 litres a day.

'People should have a behavioural change and use 100 litres of water a day and handle the water resources efficiently,' he said.

Melbourne Water spokesman Joseph Keller told the publication that people living in the state were 'encouraged to limit their consumption to 155 litres per person per day.'

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From:	ElDotardo	7/23/17 10:50 AM
To:	All	(14 of 807)

86.14 in reply to 86.13

BTW, wind generators kill birds too . . . big ones like our national symbol . . .

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From:	Jenifer (Zarknorph)	7/23/17 12:04 PM
To:	ElDotardo	(15 of 807)

86.15 in reply to 86.14

A bird flew into the spare bedroom window 2 days ago.

Hit it so hard it died instantly. I was honestly relieved at that - I didn't want it to suffer.

I read the water shortage story earlier.

Flood or drought, flood or drought - Australia can never find a happy medium.

But hey - we have plenty of uranium!

Just need a forward thinking Australian government prepared to take the nuclear plunge...

So that's a no...

Sigh,

Jenifer

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From:	ElDotardo	7/23/17 12:49 PM
To:	Jenifer (Zarknorph)	(16 of 807)

86.16 in reply to 86.15

Fusion is the answer to everyone's complaints. RRBud has been an advocate for as long as he posted - he could give you an engineer's perspective, but it's safe, clean and cheap.

The only problem thus far is that no one knows how to harness it for our use.

Oh, and it wouldn't drive away the tourists either . . .

Tourists Shun Scottish Regions Hit By Wind Turbine ‘Blight’

More than half of tourists to Scotland would rather not visit scenic areas dominated by man-made structures such as wind farms, a YouGov poll suggests.

A survey carried out on behalf of the John Muir Trust (JMT) found that 55% of respondents were “less likely” to venture into areas of the countryside industrialised by giant turbines, electricity pylons and super-quarries.

Just 3% said they were “more likely” to visit such areas, while 26% said such large-scale developments would make “no difference”.

The poll has rekindled calls for Scottish ministers to increase protection for wild and scenic areas that, it is argued, will protect rural tourism businesses.

It follows a recent decision to approve the 22-turbine Creag Riabhach wind farm in Altnaharra, the first to win consent within a designated wild land area. Each turbine will stand 125m high.

“As schools across England break up for the summer this week and many families flock to Scotland, we must remember that, for many, it’s the ability to enjoy being outdoors in Scotland’s unique, unspoilt natural landscapes that brings them north,” said Andrew Bachell, JMT’s chief executive.

“When a clear majority of people say they’d be put off visiting wild and scenic areas by the existence of large-scale wind farms, giant pylons, super-quarries and other developments, policymakers have to pay attention, before it’s too late.”

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From:	Jenifer (Zarknorph)	7/24/17 2:02 AM
To:	ElDotardo	(17 of 807)

86.17 in reply to 86.16

Another reason to go geothermal!

It's all underground!

Cheers,

Jenifer

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From:	ElDotardo	7/24/17 6:52 AM
To:	Jenifer (Zarknorph)	(18 of 807)

86.18 in reply to 86.17

Fine for limited applications, but try using it to power an energy hungry 21st century economy.

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From:	Johneeo	7/24/17 7:32 AM
To:	ElDotardo	(19 of 807)

86.19 in reply to 86.18

The answer to energy is simple. Coal and oil.

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From:	ElDotardo	7/24/17 8:49 AM
To:	Johneeo	(20 of 807)

86.20 in reply to 86.19

Bingo!

Especially as fracking has made a joke of 'peak oil.'

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From:	Jenifer (Zarknorph)	7/25/17 4:20 AM
To:	Johneeo	(21 of 807)

86.21 in reply to 86.19

Johneeo said:
The answer to energy is simple. Coal and oil.

Simplest answer, yes. No one is disputing that doing what we are already doing is the easiest thing to do.

But both are finite resources with ecological downsides.

Also, there's the rather stark reality that the Middle East is fucked up enough - could you imagine what would happen if the Western World no longer needed their oil?

Sure, all the troops would come home but only until World War III started.

The Philippines garners 27% of their national power usage from geothermal energy. That's the highest rate I could find.

And while California has the biggest geothermal power station - it's only 0.3%.

Nuclear power, on the other hand, has much greater results.

France has the highest at 80%!

And while the US produces the most Nuclear energy, it only covers 19% of consumption.

So... the most obvious thing to factor in is the size of the country.

Also, ALL of the US is filled. Sure, there's some desert in Nevada and Texas, but it's nothing like Australia where 90% of the population is around the coast.

There is also a huge difference of power requirements from megacities like NYC and Tokyo, compared to rural areas.

The answer is diversity. Yes, the staples of coal and oil will always be there. But with the population growing everyday with projections that we will hit 8.5 billion by 2030 (thank you India), sustainability is not just about coal and oil.

Soon we won't have the luxury of feeling superior as we buy our free range eggs, as it just isn't practical for chickens to run free. More forests will have to be cut down for farmland.

Future wars will be about resources, not religious ideology.

Oh God this is depressing!

I need wine and veal!

Cheers,

Jenifer

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From:	Johneeo	7/25/17 7:26 AM
To:	Jenifer (Zarknorph)	(22 of 807)

86.22 in reply to 86.21

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:
Simplest answer, yes. No one is disputing that doing what we are already doing is the easiest thing to do. But both are finite resources with ecological downsides.

Totally incorrect. There is enough oil and coal to meet the demand for hundreds of years. But, think about it. Within 50 to 100 years we will be using energy that we cannot even imagine right now.

As far as ecological, that is also bullshit.

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