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From: SaraLeck8/26/08 1:59 AM 
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 1440.11 in reply to 1440.1 

One cannot help but see that this happened way before 1948 and 9-11 when according to MUIS Islam has always been all about bring 'Blessings to All' -

Can't complain that there is no such ideals as 'Islamic Land' for Muslims.

So why aren't Singaporeans marrying to Muslims, or converting to Islam. You will have great companions. Wait for Straits Times' headlin e splash that multitude of different races of different religion converting to Islam this Hari Raya. Its the 154th you know that does not publish Muslims converting to other religions in a country of 'Regardless of Race, Language or Religion!! Do you Know that :

Before Jefferson became president, he was sent to meet with the Barbary envoy. Jefferson asked him why they attacked American ships when America hasn't shown any enmity towards them whatsoever. The reply:


The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

The people that were captured by the pirates became slaves and hostages and frequently referred to as christian dogs. And this was in 1786.

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From: SaraLeck8/26/08 2:19 AM 
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 1440.12 in reply to 1440.11 

Talented Singaporeans should have the freedom to read whatever they want right? Surely those scholars sent abroad would have read them but not your regular Singaporeans.

How's that work?? In the name of 'Regardless of Race, Language or Religion' let a Thousand Flowers Bloom. :- Or like they want to say "Islam will Bless You All"

  • Edited 8/26/2008 2:31 am ET by SaraLeck

From: SaraLeck8/26/08 11:12 AM 
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 1440.13 in reply to 1440.1 

Muslims outside of Singapore are truly Blessing the non-Muslims. This must be their idea of 'Regardless of Race, Language or Religion' where criticism and sedition against non - Muslims are allowed by but not the other way around for Islam and Muslims.

Don't we all wish that they know something about hypocrisy by now. In any case why are not MUIS helping, other than helping madrasah in E. JAVA, where Muslims in Jave are stopping Christians from building their churches.

Where is the real spirit of 'Regardless of Race, Language or Religion?' Maybe Dr Yacoob or MUIS will rescue them for the sake of 'Regardless of Race, Language or Religion?'

Islamic hackers attack Dutch websites in retaliation for Fitna

Free speech is under concerted assault by the Organization of the Islamic Conference, which is putting pressure on the UN and Western governments to criminalize speech about Islam that they deem offensive (which includes speech about Islam that illuminates the motives and goals of the jihadists). But that is a slow effort. For the impatient, there is always thuggery.

"Hundreds of Dutch web sites hacked by Islamic hackers," by Dancho Danchev at ZDNet, August 25 (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):

In what appears to be a mass defacement, where several hundred domains take advantage of a shared hosting provider,Net Devilz Netherlands starting as of this Friday, an Islamic hacker known as nEt^DeViL — this is not the NetDevilz team that hijacked the DNS records of the ICANN and Photobucket in June — managed to successfully hack a couple of hundred Dutch web sites as a hacktivist response to the release of the Fitna film, a controversial film released by Geert Wilders, a member of the Dutch parliament in March, 2008. [...]

The message they left is still active at most of the sites :

“Anti-Fitna ( Response to the Fitna Movie by ‘Geert Wilders’ Cow ! ) This hax0ring is to defend ISLAM - The Religion of [ Abraham, Moses, Jesus & Muhammad ( Peace Be Upon Them All ) ] that Insulted by a Cow ! from Netherlands ! Show Some Respect ! so , I can Leave you in Peace ! [ You’ve Started it ! ] , I don’t have problems with your site but, that what Geert Wilders Cow! chose for you ;) If you think that ” Insulting GOD Religion is a Freedom of Speech as your country did , then allow me to show you my Freedom knowledge of Hacking ;) ”...

If you don't know why a Muslim would call Islam the religion of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, read my Blogging the Qur'an series, exclusively at Jihad Watch.


From: SaraLeck8/26/08 11:21 AM 
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 1440.14 in reply to 1440.13 

These Muslims are not Blessing Non - Muslims according to Islamic tradition where Muslims are told 'Christians worship a patron equal to Allah today and theirs will be a painful penalty.' -

Religious rifts widen in Indonesia
By Bernhard Platzdasch, For The Straits Times

INDONESIAN Christians and Muslims used to exchange greetings during Eidl Fitr and Christmas. This rarely happens now - just one sign of the fragile state of religious co-existence in the country.

Indonesia's Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. But this has been called into question by the recent struggle of the Ahmadiyah sect to stay legal. Branded as deviant by the country's top Islamic body, the sect was nonetheless supported by speakers at an interfaith rally in Jakarta on June 1. The event ended in violence when the vigilante Islamic Defenders' Front (FPI) attacked.

Equally worrying are recent surveys suggesting that people of one faith are increasingly resistant to places of worship built by another. In West Java, a request to build a church has been turned down on the grounds that it would stand in 'Muslim neighbourhoods'. Christian interest groups have hit back by demanding that all Muslim schools in the neighbourhood be shut down as well.

To make things worse, religious communities in the country are literally growing apart. Members of one faith increasingly choose to live separate from people of other faiths.

Some government officials blame the lack of unity on the New Order education policies of the Suharto years. Even now, schools and curricula are usually divided along religious lines: Islam is taught to Muslim children by Muslim teachers and Christianity to Christian children by Christian teachers. This means that little understanding of other faiths is cultivated. School counsellors tell of Muslim children refusing to mingle with non-Muslims because their teachers have told them that people of other faiths are unbelievers and, thus, enemies.

Closely related to the increasing segregation of religious life is the growth of puritan beliefs among Indonesian Muslims. This trend is not confined to fringe groups such as the FPI but also affects large socio-religious organisations such as Muhammadiyah. It has spread among young Muslims.

The government of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has been apprehensive about the rise of Islamic hardliners. Officials see them as constituting a minority, but they believe that there is great potential for them to become stronger. The government has thus opted for incorporation of and cooperation with conservative Muslim groups rather than risk a backlash. The outcome: a disproportionate number of conservative Muslims in government-affiliated bodies. This is also due to the fact that conservatives seem pro-active and adept in establishing networks within the central bureaucracy.

Government officials who argue that they have to entertain conservative Muslim interests for the sake of social stability concede that this often happens at the expense of other religious communities. They cite as example the difficulties in getting permission to build churches and the fact that a separatist group such as the Acehnese Freedom Movement is tolerated whereas its Christian equivalents in Papua are not.

However, the growing influence of hardline Islam has not yet translated into more political power for Islamist parties. It is likely that two of the three leading parties in next year's parliamentary elections will again be non-Islamist. Among the three main Islamist parties - PPP (Unity Development Party), PKS (Prosperous Justice Party) and PBB (Crescent Star Party) - only PKS is expected to improve on its 2004 share of the votes.

Still, as PKS is ideologically the most conservative of the three, its growth does reflect transformations on the ground. By catering to conservatives, the government may gain social stability temporarily but it would do so at the risk of deepening the rifts between Indonesia's religious communities.

If current trends continue, the stories of Christians and Muslims exchanging holiday greetings may end up as just that: stories of an Indonesia that is disappearing.

The writer is a visiting research fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies.

  • Edited 8/26/2008 11:21 am ET by SaraLeck

From: SaraLeck8/26/08 11:35 AM 
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 1440.15 in reply to 1440.5 

Have any Singaporean find out from MUIS who did Moppet Bless in his Time? The thinking behind the below is not going to bring any Blessing from Islam, but what will?

I have mentioned this subject before but feel that mentioning it again to a new batch of forummers is appropriate.

I consider that muslims are damaged people. Their thought processes are not normal and they have perfected the art of drifting into a state of denial when given facts that disturb them. I have not yet come across a muslim who will accept that the years of childhood "tuition" on Islam constitute brainwashing. They are at odds with every other religion and culture. They have even added their own Islamic meaning to commonly used words such as peace, oppression, justice, innocent, corruption, tolerance and piety. Any time a muslim uses one of these words we should be on our guard as the odds are that they are trying to deceive us.

In just about every culture, except Islam of course, the women like to make themselves look attractive and want to "strut their stuff". This is a natural inborn instinct and so how can it be that muslim women claim that they want to cover up to maintain their modesty and fly in the face of instinct?

How come, when presented with the facts about Muhammad`s most evil exploits, that muslims still regard him as a model for all mankind for all time? This beggars belief. Only a disturbed mind could accept Muhammad as the best example for humanity.

In recent threads no muslim has come forward to condemn beheading and agree that it should be banned worldwide. Not even anonymously on the internet. They dare not in case Allah gets to know from the recording angels, one on each shoulder, on judgement day. Do they really think that beheading is acceptable or are they too afraid to condemn it because that would be an indirect criticism of the king of beheaders - Muhammad?

In my latest thread on that most hideous and barbaric execution by crucifixion only one has raised his head above the parapet and fully accepted crucifixion as a form of punishment, even for his own son if he was an enemy of Allah. By his definition, all you have to do to be an enemy of Allah is to disbelieve or try to talk others out of being muslims. What has happened to the empathy for others as it appears to have been scrubbed out of the muslim psyche?

How come the fear of hell is so great that it overrides all humanity that may still linger in the muslims? Perhaps the major fear that controls the mind of a muslim comes from their co-religionists and what will happen to them in this life if they stray from the true path of Islam. They are like peas from the same pod.

It is very clear that an us/and/them attitude is ingrained in the muslim mind. Even if you defeat them in a discussion by presenting facts that they can not dispute they still do not want a close brotherhood or friendship because of "tribal" differences.

I truly contend that after years of discission with muslims that I can only conclude that just as circumcision permanently changes the penis the brainwashing has done the same to their minds. They have been manipulated into being a mutant strain of humanity which will then maniplulate following generations. It is a never ending process.

As I have said before, facts and reason are of no consequence to muslims. - sum

  • Edited 8/26/2008 11:37 am ET by SaraLeck

From: SaraLeck8/26/08 11:16 PM 
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 1440.16 in reply to 1440.1 

Why have you not converted into Islam yet. When you do you will be like million of Muslims claiming that Moppet came to give Blessings to Non - Muslims. Here's some of the Blessings you should hear from your Iman.

Can a Muslim tell if it was for LAND or is it for the said religion Islam or is Moppet using Islam he created. ie is the situation in S. Thailand, Palestine, S. Philippines about reliigon? Or are they just criminal terrorists.

Verses from the Koran:

LIX/5-6: “Whatsoever palm trees ye cut down or left standing on their roots, it was by by Allah’s leave, in order that He might confound the evil-livers. And that which Allah gave as spoil unto His messenger from them, ye urged not any horse or riding-camel for the sake thereof, but Allah giveth His messenger lordship over whom He will. Allah is Able to do all things.”

The above verse clearly states that the followers of Allah should cut down the palm trees as they provide shelter and food to the kafirs. In these verses, note the insidious way in which Mohammed has hidden the real meaning of the words. First Allah says that don’t take away the camels and horses of the conquered, but the sentence that follows immediately after this contradicts Allah’s “mercy”. Because Allah gives the Muslim Invader complete rights over the conquered, so he is free to kill, eat, abuse and maim the animals or the people who have been made captive.

XLVIII/20-21: “Allah promiseth you much booty that ye will capture, and hath given you this in advance, and hath withheld men’s hands from you, that it may be a token for the believers, and that He may guide you on a right path. And other (gain), which ye have not been able to achieve, Allah will compass it. Allah is able to do all things.”

In the above verse, Allah is bribing the believers to make wars with the Kafirs. He promises them a lot of booty which they will gain from these wars. He has also said that He will magically stop the kafirs from striking back and He will guide the believers on the right path (the path of killing, plundering, looting and raping).

VIII/41: “And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! a FIFTH thereof is for Allah, and for the messenger and for the kinsman (who hath need) and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if ye believe in Allah and that which we revealed unto Our slave on the Day of Discrimination, the day when the two armies met. And Allah is able to do all things.”

Here we see another case of bribery by Allah. Four fifths of the loot goes to invaders and the remaining one FIFTH goes to Mohammed or the Caliphs or any other Muslim leaders in their absence. Here Allah tries to bring out His kindness again by telling the Muslims to give to the poor. And how much do the poor get? They get from the one fifth of the loot and only after Mohammed and other religious leaders have taken their share. And don’t forget where this loot is coming from–Killing and murdering the kafirs. What a genuine Robin Hood Allah is!!!

VIII/65: “O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred stedfast they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.”

The above verse is self explanatory. It clearly orders the Muslim to kill the non believers. It also clearly says that anyone who doesn’t believe in Islam has no intelligence!

VIII/67-69: “It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise. Had it not been for the ordinance of Allah which had gone before, an awful doom had come upon you on account of what ye took. Now enjoy what ye have won, as lawful and good, and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

Here Allah is clearly instructing the Prophet that hold no prisoners, kill them all as they are criminals for not believing in Allah. The Prophet must do these deeds because Allah desires that the muslims enjoy the Houris and young boys in Jannat (Heaven). The above verses were revealed when the prophet had decided to spare the lives of the prisoners taken at Badr and hold them to ransom, against the wish of Umar who would have executed them for their past crime. The prophet took the verses as a reproof, and they are generally understood to mean that no mercy ought to have been given in that first battle. Such is the nature of the all merciful Allah !!

VIII/73: And those who disbelieve are protectors one of another. -If ye do not so, there will be confusion in the land, and great corruption.”

VIII/12: “When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then maim them in every limb and smite of them each finger.”

The above verse clearly depicts how Allah prescribes the Muslims to torture and kill.

IX/5: “Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

This verse clealry says that Muslims should try to convert non-muslims forcibly. If they are unable to do so, then they should either kill the kafirs or make their lives miserable.

IX/73: “Oh Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

LXIX/30-37: “(It will be said): Take him and fetter him and then expose him to hell-fire And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is 70 cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in allah the Tremendous, And urged not on the feeding of the wretched, Therefore hath he no lover here this day, Nor any food save filth Which none but sinners eat.”

This verse describes the recipe for torture as revealed by Allah. This recipe was applied in India when the Sikh Gurus were murdered. It was also applied elsewhere in the world as I have mentioned above in this article.

V/33-34: “The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful.”

This verse gives Muslims another recipe for torture. Here Allah has taken care of the details in the procedure.

XXII/19-22: “These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concering their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.”

Yet another recipe for torture !! Need I say more ?

LXXVI/4: “Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers manacles and carcans and a raging fire.”

Quotes From The Hadiths:

Sahih Al Bukhari, 216:“I have been ordered to fight against people until they testify that there is no God but Allah & that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah & until he performs the prayers & pays the Zakat.”

The quote above clearly states that Allah has ordered the Prophet to torture the Kafirs until they submit to Islam. And by ordering Muhammad he is ordering each and every muslim to do so as Mohammed is the true model which every muslim must strive for.

Sahih Muslim, 217: “Verily Allah has prescribed proficiency in all things. Thus if you kill, KILL WELL, & if you slaughter, SLAUGHTER WELL. Let each one of you sharpen his blade.”

Need I explain the above quote??

Edited 8/26/2008 11:19 pm ET by SaraLeck

  • Edited 8/26/2008 11:24 pm ET by SaraLeck

From: SaraLeck8/26/08 11:37 PM 
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 1440.17 in reply to 1440.1 

A Little Diversion : - They have done wrong because they needed the authority of Allah to right hand possess these Christians. Tsk Tsk! but nonetheless..Muslims will Bless them.

Orissa: Hindu extremists burn one nun alive, rape another
by Nirmala Carvalho

Bubaneshwar (AsiaNews) – A Catholic nun was burnt alive by a group of Hindu fundamentalists who stormed the orphanage she ran in the district of Bargarh (Orissa), this according to Police Superintendent Ashok Biswall. A priest who was at the orphanage was also badly hurt and is now being treated in hospital for multiple burns. Another nun from Bubaneshwar’s Social Centre was gang raped by groups of Hindu extremists before the building housing the facility was set on fire. Sources also told AsiaNews that elsewhere one priest was wounded and two other were abducted. The list of violent anti-Christian acts is thus getting longer.
For the past two days the state of Orissa (north-east India) has been racked by violence following the assassination of radical Hindu leader Swami Laxanananda Saraswati.

Churches, community and pastoral centres, convents and orphanages have been attacked yesterday and today by mobs shouting “Kill the Christians; destroy their institutions.”

Tensions in the state are in fact still running high. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has planned demonstrations for today and tomorrow. Gangs of Hindu fanatics from the VHP as well as Sangh Parivar are roaming roads and villages, setting up road blocks, sending their own members on raids of plunder and violence.

According to firsthand accounts the archdiocese’s social centre was attacked and torched. Before that the attackers raped Sister Meena, a nun working at the centre.

The local pastoral centre, which has escaped destruction in last December’s violence, is now a total wreck. Father Thomas, who ran the facility, is in hospital with serious head injuries.

Speaking to AsiaNews Fr Ajay Singh also said that a nun was burnt alive in an orphanage she ran in the district of Bargarh.

Elsewhere Sisters of Mother Teresa have been attacked by stone-throwing Hindu militants with one seriously injured.

All Christian institutions are now in danger because mobs of Hindu radicals are roaming the streets, breaking down doors and smashing windows, including in some cases Christian homes. Many priests and nuns have had to escape.

In Bubaneshwar Hindu militants stoned the Archbishop’s residence, but did not dare invade the place because of police presence.

In Phulbani the parish church and the home of local clergy were attacked and set on fire. All local priests fled and found refuge in the homes of some of members of the local congregation.

The youth hostel that houses students who study in Phulbani has also been torched.

Some missionaries of Charity who were attending a health course in Brahamanigoan were blocked for hours in the village.

Elsewhere nuns left their convent finding shelter in some school buildings.


From: SaraLeck8/28/08 2:33 AM 
To: All  (18 of 3931) 
 1440.18 in reply to 1440.1 

Hari Raya is the time where Singaporeans are told how much Islam is a 'Blessings' to all Singaporeans thanks to the 154th. So why aren't you converting yet!! You will have great companionship. When was the last time Dr Yaccob and MUIS was in Egypt??

Tuesday, August 26, 2008
Egypt Police Prevent Copts From Repairing Church
Our Islamic "allies" continue to show their true face to us. The centuries long persecution of the Coptic Christians of Egypt continues, but Muslims do not say a word about it. They only want to silence those that do speak out against this persecution. As for our leaders.....Bush, Condi.....any comments? I thought not.

At the end of the article I have posted a video showing just how badly the Christians in Egypt have it.

CAIRO (AFP) — Egyptian police used violence earlier this month to prevent villagers from repairing the only church in their area, a rights group said on Monday, warning of a rise in sectarian tension as a result.

On August 17, "a policeman assigned to guard the Archangel Michael Church in Deshasha (Beni Soueif province south of Cairo) hit three women while they were taking sand into the church to fix the floor which was cracked as result of water collection underneath," the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights (EIPR) said in a statement.

After the incident rumours spread in the village that Copts had locked up the policeman inside the church, beat him up and tore his clothes, leading to the brief arrests of several Copts and to threats of retaliation from Muslim villagers, the group said.

"The worrying rise in sectarian tension that we have seen in Deshasha is a direct result of violations committed by the police," EIPR director Hossam Bahgat said.

"This incident must be investigated and those responsible held accountable."

In Sunni Muslim-dominated Egypt, the law allows the repair of churches without a prior permit but church officials must give written notice to the provincial authorities, the EIPR said.

But according to officials from the Archangel Michael Church, the state security intelligence has prevented repair from being carried out at the church for the past 11 years.

Clerics said the church is the oldest in the region, was built in 1895. It was last renovated in 1930 and serves 100 Christian families in the Deshasha village.

"The Archangel Michael Church in Deshasha is but one example of the futility of any efforts to reform and unify construction and renovation laws for places of worship so long as security agents continue to violate existing laws in a discriminatory manner and with complete impunity," EIPR said.

Egypt's Copts -- the largest Christian community in the Middle East -- account for an estimated six to 10 percent of the country's 76 million inhabitants and complain of systematic discrimination and harassment.


From: SaraLeck8/28/08 2:38 AM 
To: All  (19 of 3931) 
 1440.19 in reply to 1440.7 

Hari Raya must be a time for Singaporeans celebrating Muslims 'Blessing the Others' :


From: SaraLeck8/28/08 2:47 AM 
To: All  (20 of 3931) 
 1440.20 in reply to 1440.7 

More of MUIS's Islam bring Blessings to Singaporeans.

And Malay - Muslim girl reporter wants to complain in the 154th about how hard she must work because she's a Malay and reminded to do so by some Muslim minister.

Maybe she should convert to Christianity and live in a Muslim country and experience the Blessings Muslims Bring to Others instead.

Quiet apparently the Muslim perspective from MUIS is the Egyptian Muslims are living 'harmoniously' with Christians there.

How's your Arabic

  • Edited 8/28/2008 2:50 am ET by SaraLeck

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