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From: SaraLack3/26/12 9:44 PM 
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who else is "giving in" to islam.

it does not matter if this is happening in afghanistan because the ummah will learn from these episodes.

how they effect and affect the psyche of non - muslims is all too apparent.

and this, this is the threat of islamic religious fundamentalism to all perfectly functioning countries.

American Thinker:

"Not surprisingly none of this has been enough to soothe Afghan sensibilities or prevent the government from trying to take advantage of the situation.

Senior Afghan clerics and parliamentarians have demanded that the soldiers be tried in public and punished under Afghan law, a position which is endorsed by President Karzai ...

"Karzai and his government are reacting the way they are for personal and political reasons and are trying to play both ends against the middle as the saying goes.

They are trying to extract concessions from the Americans and keep their money flowing while convincing the Taliban that they really support them and should therefore not be thrown out or murdered after the Americans leave.

Money and insurance, that's why Karzai and his government are acting the way they are.

As for the clerics and the Afghan people, they're doing what Islamists always do when they are offended or insulted ... they riot, destroy and kill ..."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/03/koran_burning_just_islamists_acting_like_islamists.html
 
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From: SaraLack3/26/12 9:44 PM 
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'Torture' video shows 'Gaddafi's black African mercenaries locked in a zoo cage and force-fed flags by Libyan rebels'

  • Footage of captured mercenaries suspected of fighting for Gaddafi regime is posted on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yuCJcaQRIuA

By Graham Smith

Last updated at 3:01 AM on 3rd March 2012


A shocking video that appears to show Libyan rebels torturing a group of sub-Saharan African detainees has appeared on YouTube.

The footage shows a dozen or so men - presumably captured mercenaries suspected of fighting for the toppled government of Muammur Gaddafi last year - held in what looks like a caged zoo enclosure.

They each have their hands tied behind their back and are sat on the cage's dirty floor.

More objectionably, each has the old Libyan flag stuffed into his mouth.

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Shocking: Video footage that appears to show Libyan rebels torturing a group of sub-Saharan African detainees has appeared on YouTube

Shocking: Video footage that appears to show Libyan rebels torturing a group of sub-Saharan African detainees has appeared on YouTube

Prisoners: The footage shows a dozen or so men held in what looks like a caged zoo enclosure, with their hands tied behind their backs and the former Libyan flag in their mouths

Prisoners: The footage shows a dozen or so men held in what looks like a caged zoo enclosure, with their hands tied behind their backs and the former Libyan flag in their mouths


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109327/Libyan-rebels-force-feed-flags-sub-Saharan-mercenaries-shocking-torture-video.html#ixzz1o8NifH4t

While a crowd of men gather round the enclosure jeering, their prisoners are made to hop on the spot.

The man filming the scene, who remains off-camera, can be heard shouting: 'Eat the flag, you dog. Patience you dog, patience. God is great.'


NOT THAT THE MALAY-MUSLIM can have any complains about RACISM.
 

 
From: SaraLack3/26/12 9:45 PM 
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Mohammed had 24 male slaves and 11 female slaves.

In his Quran, Mohammed discriminated against men according to their colour. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayHqZfbYqlY - DID he die in the END??

He states: “The law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman” 1.  This means that if a white man killed another white man, the killer has to be killed as a punishment for killing a human being, but, if a white man killed a black man, the white man shall not be killed as he did not kill a human being; he has to pay a fine.

Ibn Kathir2, a scholar in interpreting the Quran, explained this verse saying that the slave is a commodity, and if a slave was killed by mistake or unintentionally, no fine or compensation should be paid. Mohammed also said in his Quran:

”If one (so) kills by mistake a Believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave”3, meaning that if a man killed another man unintentionally, he can erase his sin by freeing a Muslim slave.  Non-Muslim slaves shall not be freed from slavery. If Mohammed aimed to free slaves from their slavery, why did he set this condition? No Jewish or Christian slave shall be freed from slavery!

Mohammed aimed to increase the number of his followers and troops. He saw slaves as commodities and as part of free men’s property that can be inherited. The following incident clarifies this:

A dying Muslim man freed 6 of his slaves. After his death, his heirs complained to Mohammed.  Mohammed said “If I knew what he did, I would not pray over his corpse!” 4  He felt sorry that he had prayed over a dead Muslim man who had freed his slaves!  The story continues … “So Mohammed bought the six slaves and cast lots amongst them, he freed only two slaves and returned the remaining four to the heirs!

Mohammed legitimised ways to return slaves to their slavery and beat them. He said that the master could beat his slave anywhere except his/her face5, as it might deform them and decrease the value of this commodity!  In another verse Mohammed regulated the punishment of an adulterous woman and used discrimination in allocating this punishment, based on the woman’s status as master or slave, by saying in his Quran:

“If they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women” 6.  In a case where the sin of adultery was committed by a slave woman (whether married or single) the punishment should be 50 whips, while the free married woman should be stoned till death7. Again Mohammed confirmed that slaves are commodities that shall not be killed, as this will lead to financial losses to their masters.

 

References

 


Quran 2 The Cow Al Baqarah -178

Ibn kathir Pg 233

Quran ,  4the women , An-Nisa 92

Musnad Al-Imam Ahmed saying number 19158

Sahih Al Bukhari , Al atik saying 2559

Quran  ,  4the women , An-Nisa 24

Ibn kathir Pg 463

 

 

 
From: KhooGheeKong4/5/12 12:04 AM 
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Thanks for the very informative postings. Keep 'em coming!
 

 
From: SaraLeck6/6/12 8:30 PM 
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Rules in real life must apply online: Yaacob

Published on Apr 6, 2012
 

[Surah Al-Maidah 5:33]. In Islam, a person who has committed blasphemy can either be killed or crucified, or his opposite hands and feet can be cut off, or he can be exiled from that land. On the other hand, in other religions there is no other option except capital punishment. Islam at least has four options of punishment for an act of blasphemy.”

 

 
From: SaraLeck6/6/12 8:33 PM 
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Graphic Video: Muslims Slaughter Convert to Christianity in Tunisia

by Raymond Ibrahim
Originally published by the Gatestone Institute
June 4, 2012

Multimedia for this item

Video

Liberal talk show host Tawfiq Okasha recently appeared on "Egypt Today" airing a video of Muslims in Tunisia slicing a young man's head off for the crime of apostasy, in this case, the crime of converting to Christianity and refusing to renounce it. The video—be warned, it is immensely graphic—is on the left (the actual execution appears from minute 1:13-4:00). For those who prefer not to view it, a summary follows:

A young man appears held down by masked men. His head is pulled back, with a knife to his throat. He does not struggle and appears resigned to his fate. Speaking in Arabic, the background speaker, or "narrator," chants a number of Muslim prayers and supplications, mostly condemning Christianity, which, because of the Trinity, is referred to as a polytheistic faith: "Let Allah be avenged on the polytheist apostate"; "Allah empower your religion, make it victorious against the polytheists"; "Allah, defeat the infidels at the hands of the Muslims"; "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger."

Then, to cries of "Allahu Akbar!"—or, "God is great!"—the man holding the knife to the apostate's throat begins to slice away, even as the victim appears calmly mouthing a prayer. It takes nearly two minutes of graphic knife-carving to sever the Christian's head, which is then held aloft to more Islamic cries and slogans of victory.

Visibly distraught, Tawfiq Okasha, the host, asked: "Is this Islam? Does Islam call for this? How is Islam related to this matter?...These are the images that are disseminated throughout the electronic media in Europe and America…. Can you imagine?" Then, in reference to Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood and Salafis, whose political influence has grown tremendously, he asked, "How are such people supposed to govern?"

In fact, only the other day a top Egyptian Salafi leader openly stated that no Muslim has the right to apostatize, or leave Islam, based on the canonical hadiths, including Muhammad's command, "Whoever leaves his religion, kill him." Islam's most authoritative legal manuals make crystal clear that apostasy is a capital crime, punishable by death.

The first "righteous caliph," a paragon of Muslim piety and virtue, had tens of thousands of people slaughtered—including by burning, beheading, and crucifixion—simply because they tried to break away from Islam. According to the Encyclopaedia of Islam, the most authoritative reference work on Islam in the English language, "there is unanimity that the male apostate must be put to death."

Finally, a word on the "prayers" or supplications to Allah made by the Muslim executioners in the video: these are standard and formulaic. It is not just masked, anonymous butchers who supplicate Allah as they engage in acts of evil; rather, top-ranking Muslim leaders openly invoke such hate-filled prayers.

{{ MUIS HELPS SINGAPOREAN MUSLIMS GO TO MECCA FOR  THE HAJ }}

See here for examples of prominent Muslims supplicating Allah to strike infidels with cancer and disease "till they pray for death and do not receive it," and even formalized prayers in Mecca, blasted on megaphones as Muslims pilgrimage and circumambulate the Ka'ba, supplicating Allah to make the lives of Christians and Jews "hostage to misery; drape them with endless despair, unrelenting pain and unremitting ailment; fill their lives with sorrow and pain and end their lives in humiliation and oppression."

"Is this Islam?" You decide.

 

 
From: SaraLeck6/6/12 8:39 PM 
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Legislation to monitor apostasy to be considered

Friday, March 16, 2012

THE Ministry of Religious Affairs is mulling the possibility of drafting a legislation to monitor and control cases of apostasy (murtad), its minister disclosed yesterday during the eighth Legislation Council (LegCo) proceedings.

LegCo member Yang Berhormat Pehin Orang Kaya Maharaja Kerna Dato Paduka Seri Hj Yaakub Pehin Orang Kaya Maharaja Diraja Dato Paduka Hj Zainal noted that there was an increase in the number of Muslim converts annually.

However, he reminded the nation to be wary of apostasy issues that had happened abroad and to learn from these cases.

He asked whether there was any existing legislation to address the issue.

Responding to this, Yang Berhormat Pg Dato Seri Setia Dr Hj Muhammad Pg Hj Abdul Rahman said that there was no such law in implementation.

"(And) this is in our future thoughts, we will try to provide a law for those who become apostates," he said.

YB Pehin Dato Hj Yaakub also asked how long a convert holds the status of being a new Muslim and if they still receive help once they have matured as Muslims.

"Actually there is a period, once that individual has become a Muslim for 10 years, he should not be treated as a new Muslim anymore. If he has fulfilled and completed Islamic propagation and education programmes, then by right, he cannot be treated as a new Muslim anymore," YB Pg Dato Dr Hj Muhammad explained.

A convert who has performed the Haj pilgrimage, two or three years after their conversion, would also lose the status as a new Muslim regardless if they have not reached the 10-year monitoring term. This is because their Islamic knowledge and faith would be deemed sufficient, the minister added.

YB Pehin Dato Hj Yaakub, during the morning session yesterday, also enquired on whether a computerised database of the deceased for family reference purposes, as implemented for the Kg Terunjing Muslim cemetery, be practiced at other cemeteries in the Sultanate.

The minister believed while he needed to check with his officers for certainty, it would be safe to assume that it should be implemented at other cemeteries across the Sultanate.

The Brunei Times

 

 
From: SaraLeck6/6/12 8:43 PM 
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Virtues of Islam!

‘According to the biography of Prophet Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, Prophet Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe mercilessly. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns.

The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deeds of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns:

“As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Indeed such odious “rules” were iterated by all four classical schools of Islamic jurisprudence, across the vast Muslim empire.

http://www.charonboat.com/2007/08/charonboat_dot_com_beheading_hostage_by_iraqi.jpg


For centuries, from the Iberian Peninsula to the Indian subcontinent, jihad campaigns waged by Muslim armies against infidel Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists and Hindus, were punctuated by massacres, including mass throat slittings and beheadings. During the period of “enlightened” Muslim rule, the Christians of Iberian Toledo, who had first submitted to their Arab Muslim invaders in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. In the harsh Muslim reprisal that ensued, Toledo was pillaged, and all the Christian notables had their throats cut.

On the Indian subcontinent, Babur (1483-1530), the founder of the Mughal Empire, who is revered as a paragon of Muslim tolerance by modern revisionist historians, recorded the following in his autobiographical “Baburnama,” about infidel prisoners of a jihad campaign: "Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp."

 

 
From: SaraLeck6/6/12 8:44 PM 
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THE VIRTUES OF ISLAM.


Holy Quran is replete with the harsh verses which directly order Muslims to behead Kaffirs/infidels. Let me cite some sample of those verses below:  

Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs:

 

5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8bEdZGbBsg0/SMDFq5MnFKI/AAAAAAAAAKM/GhKlLVgmIEo/s1600/DSC01732%2Bcopy.jpg


 

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

 

47:4-  “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight),  strike off their heads;  at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”

 

2:193- “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”

 

9:29-  "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Zizziya tax) by hand, being inferior.”

 

8:17—It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah is a real merciful indeed!)

 

 
From: SaraLack10/22/12 1:44 PM 
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Muslim Countries Seek to Restrict Free Speech Globally

The Cairo Declaration states that people have "freedom and right to a dignified life in accordance with Islamic Sharia law."
 

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